Mr. DRAPER. Mr. Lockwood, as you pretty well know, is not a novice in this matter; and he thinks there is something new about it. He is trying it now. It seems to me to be exceedingly plain, that, if you can draw twenty-six, you can use coarser roving, even if it is double. Suppose you have single roving, that when you draw it seven, you can produce No. 30 yarn from it. What sort of yarn would you produce to draw double twenty-six? Would you not make a yarn very much finer? If you would not, I do not know how to calculate draught.

Mr. ATKINSON. I have seen the yarn Mr. Draper speaks of, and it is a very remarkable result.

Mr. GOULDING. I do not think we understand Mr. Draper. The extraordinary thing is, that tremendous draught on the spinning-frame. There is no change about it, as I understand Mr. Draper. There is no change in the roving. Instead of having thirteen draught, he has twenty-six.

The PRESIDENT. I understand that to be Mr. Draper's point; but, it seems to me, by doubling the roving he used less rovingframes.

Mr. DRAPER. Mr. President, I wish people would take my problem, and not make one of their own. I did state a case where they put in two rovings and doubled the draught. That is plain enough. I did not confine my remarks to that, because I said they had carried the joke further; that, in the room of drawing eighteen, which was double the draught, they had carried it up to twenty-six: and so they can do successfully, and make good yarn. Now, I am not so stupid as to suppose that that roving would make just the same yarn under those conditions; but suppose you have the roving single; drawn seven, which will produce No. 36. You double that roving and draw it fourteen, and it will produce 36 yarn. What sort of yarn will it produce to double the same roving and draw it twenty-six? If you are going to make the same size yarn, and draw it twentysix, you would have to make the roving coarser. That is plain to me, if it is not to you. Think of it.

Mr. KENT. Mr. President, allow me to improve this opportunity to move that the Board of Government be authorized to lay the usual assessment, not exceeding ten dollars, for the current expenses this year.

The motion was carried.

Mr. GOULDING. Mr. Atkinson has introduced a subject in which we are all interested, the Atlanta Exposition; and before we adjourn I should like to hear from him further on the subject, what the plans and prospects are in relation to going there, and what he expects of the Cotton Manufacturers' Association concerning it.

Mr. BARKER. I think it is proper that some recognition be taken of the paper read before the Association this morning. It is so full of meat, and so full of the good things of a cotton-mill, that I really feel it to be a duty which we owe to Mr. Kilburn, to extend to him a vote of thanks for presenting the matter of carding in so clear and common-sense a view as he has done this morning. Therefore, I move that a vote of thanks be extended to Mr. Kilburn for the able manner in which he has presented this subject.

The motion was carried.

Mr. STILES. I have been informed that the Messrs. Knight of Providence make all their goods on single carding. Is that correct? Can any gentleman inform me?

A MEMBER. I know some mills where they do it. I cannot say as to all of them.

The PRESIDENT. I should say, I think they do generally. Mr. ATKINSON. Mr. President, I have very little more to add to what I have already said. I will say to you, that in that Exposition building will be brought together more new things than you ever dreamed of. The main point that I have been disappointed in (I know the circumstances were such as to naturally lead to that disappointment) is the lack of interest in New England, as indicated by the lack of adequate subscriptions to the stock. Atlanta led off with fifty thousand dollars the first day, and it has gone up to sixty thousand dollars, or seventy thousand dollars. New York followed, when asked for twenty-five thousand dollars, with over thirty thousand dollars. Philadelphia heartily responded. I do not know what the sum of their subscription is, about twenty thousand dollars, I think. Cincinnati, Louisville, and many smaller Southern cities, are responding, and are taking a greater interest in sustaining the project than New England or Boston. Boston especially, owing to the men who always lead off (I need not name them, you know who they are) having already a burden upon them, has not yet showed much interest in it; but if you feel

that you can sustain it, — I do not ask it, I do not make any personal appeals, if you feel you can risk a hundred dollars, with the chance of losing, possibly, fifty dollars of it, in order to show an interest in what our Southern brethren are doing, and to help the manufacturers of cotton as a whole, you will do so. If you do not feel that interest, you will not do it. The matter will be carried through. I anticipate a great success from it. I might ask Mr. Goulding, jun., to make a statement. He has been there, and has seen more of the gin-houses than I have. Many of you know more about it than I do. I can only state one little fact. There is, in South Carolina, one single gin-house where labor is economized, and work is well done; and part of the product is spun in a little mill of twenty-five hundred spindles. It is on an intermittent stream; and when they have but little water they stop their spinning machinery and run the ginhouse, for there is more profit in it. I am glad to refer to Mr. Draper, who has made a thousand-dollar subscription to the Exposition.

Mr. DRAPER. Mr. President, I want to say that actions, as a rule, speak louder than words, as to the amount of interest we take in any such thing; and I am pleased to notice that Mr. Pulsifer, proprietor of "The Boston Herald," has subscribed a thousand dollars. He is rather an outsider, so far as cotton manufacturing is concerned. I really think that the Exposition may be the means of doing a good deal of good to the cottonmanufacturing business, and do a great deal of good in cementing the country together, as we want to be cemented together. That is to say, we want to have a fellow-feeling. We do not want to have a solid North and a solid South. We want to have a solid country, one and indivisible; and for the people to meet together in this way, is one of the ways to bring it about.

Mr. ATKINSON. The Secretary asks me whether there has been any action on the part of the Executive Committee to warrant this Association in appointing delegates. I am not a member of the Executive Committee; but I am fully authorized to extend to you an invitation to appoint delegates, or to attend the Exposition in a body. You need not hesitate to take any action, even to the extent of going in a body; and I invite you, on behalf of the Atlanta Exposition, to hold a meeting at Atlanta, at such time as you see fit, and also to appoint a committee who shall be inspectors of the machinery there exhibited, and also to make a formal report.

The PRESIDENT. The Chair would indorse that invitation, and also extend it as a member of the committee. I think it is very important that we should send competent men there, so as to give us the benefit of all new ideas that may be presented there. I hope delegates will be sent.

Mr. CLARK. I move that the Board of Government be authorized to select such delegates, and of such a number as they may think best, to attend that convention.

Mr. GARSED. Before the motion is put, perhaps it will be proper for me to say, as I am a member of the Executive Committee, that I extend, in the name of the Atlanta Exhibition, an invitation to all who choose to go.

Mr. BARKER. The expense of going to Atlanta is considerable, and it seems to me that should be taken into account. I do not suppose the idea is thought of amongst the members, that this Association pays the expenses of anybody to Atlanta. I do not suppose that is contemplated. Hence, it seems to me, if you have a delegate or delegates that shall attend that Convention, that shall go officially from this Association, that it could be much better attended to here to-day than by the Board of Government: for the members are present, and, by making the nominations, it will give the members a chance to decline or accept, as the case may be; and it seems to me that would be the proper way.

Mr. CLARK. It might be difficult, now, to tell who would go; but, no doubt, there are some who would be suitable persons. My motion was, not that the Board of Government be instructed to appoint, but that they be authorized to appoint; and, after finding out who would go, they might designate them as delegates: and, therefore, they would stand in a different relation there to the Association, than what they would if they did not go as delegates. I have no objection to their being pointed out here; but I think the Board of Government, after inquiry, can make a better selection.

Mr. DRAPER. It seems to me, the motion to have it referred to the Board of Government is the proper one to prevail; and I hope it will prevail.

Mr. ATKINSON. Mr. President, I sustain the reference to the Board of Government for several reasons. Those who go as delegates will have to stay longer than those who go merely as observers. There will be a great deal of work to be done by

those who are appointed; and it will be necessary to make a careful selection, which it will be difficult to compass in an open meeting. The Board of Government is competent to do this. It may be a privilege to be on this Board. I assure you, you will have a most cordial and hearty welcome. I have tried it, and have used the plainest of plain speech, and have been welcomed cordially. Whoever goes, however, as the specific delegates of this Association, will have more than a hospitable welcome. I hope the subject of delegates, which ought to have very careful consideration, will be referred to the Board of Government, with full powers.

The motion was then carried.

At this point the Association took a recess.