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(Dec. 9, 1833 RHODE ISLAND SENATORS.
himself to make a call on the Secretary of the Treasury On motion of Mr. WRIGHT, the Senate proceeded to for information as to the actual condition, not only of the consider the resolution offered by him yesterday.
United States Bank, but of all the other banks in which Some conversation took place on the propriety of the public money had been deposited. He had no objecchanging the language of the resolution from the ordination to urge against the resolution which had been offered; ry form, in consequence of the novelty of the case, and but, as he wished to obtain at a single view the condition the possibility that the present proceeding might be drawn of the whole of the public treasury, he would move that into a precedent. Mr. CLAY, Mr. WRIGHT, and Mr. the resolution, for the present, lie on the table. KING participated; and Mr. CLAY moved to amend the re
The motion was agreed to. solution by inserting after the words “five Senators,” the
Mr. CALHOUN, pursuant to notice, moved for leave words “to be elected by the Senate;" which was agreed to introduce a bill to repeal an act further to provide for to.
the collection of duties on imports, approved March 2, Mr. POINDEXTER then signified bis impression that 1832; and leave being granted, he introduced the bill, he whole proceeding was irregular and improper, and which was then read the first time, and ordered to a selat the true course would have been to refer the creden. cond reading. Is of Mr. Robbins, in the first instance; and if his elec- Mr. BENTON, on leave, introduced a joint resolution n should be reported constitutional and proper, then to to amend the constitution of the United Siates in relation fer the credentials of Mr. Potter to the same commit to the election of President and Vice President, which iee for their inspection.
was laid on the table, on motion of Atthe suggestion of Mr. KNIGHT, however, who, while
Mr. BIBB, who stated that he had prepared a motion on he admitted that the course indicated by Mr. POINDEXTER the same subject, which he would submit on Wednesday, would have been the more correct, expressed a bope that and wished both to be considered at the same time. no fastidiousness as to forms would be suffered to delay
Mr. BENTON assented. the proceeding on the subject, the question on the adop. APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTEES. 'on of the resolution, as amended, was put, and carried , the affirmative.
The Senate then took up the resolution submitted by The Senate then proceeded to ballot for the select com. Mr. SPRAGUE on Thursday, proposing so to amend the rules mittee, when the Chair announced that the following as to restore to the Senate itself the appointment of its com. gentlemen composed the committee:
mittees, instead of their appointment by the presiding Messrs. PoIndexTER, Rives, FBELINGHUYSEN, WRIGHT, officer. and SPRAGUE.
Mr. SPRAGUE said that the resolution proposed to Adjourned to Monday.
alter the rule of the Senate, on the appointment of their
standing committees; and its object was to restore to the Monday, DECEMBER 9.
Senate the appointment of their own committees. It The Senate proceeded to the election of its officers, officer. The Senate had the appointment of their own
implied no disrespect whatever to the present presiding and, having balloted first for a Secretary,
Walter Lowrie received 39 ballots, being all that committees before he had occupied the chair. It was a were given, and was accordingly declared to be unani. be unnecessarily delegated. The appointment of com.
fundamental republican principle, that power should never mously re-elected Secretary of the Senate. A balloting next took place for Sergeant-at-arms, when should be esecuted by the Senate, unless in particular
mittees he considered very important, and thought it it appeared that J. Shackford had received 25 votes out of 40, and was elected.
cases the appointment should be given to the presiding
officer. He deemed it unnecessary to suggest to the The Senate then proceeded to the election of an Assistant Doorkeeper, and, after six ballotings, Stephen Haight The information which they might collect and embody,
Senate the importance of having proper committees. received 20 votes out of 39, and was accordingly elected and send forth to the world, would have a great effect in APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTEES.
the formation of public opinion. The resolution proposed The PRESIDENT pro tein. took this occasion to remark no novelty. It was only a recurrence to an old rule. If that he should have announced the standing committees he was correct in the history of the rule, the method this morning, according to the usual practice, bad it not which he now proposed was adopted first after the forma. been that a resolution was offered by a Senator from tion of the Government. He was not aware of any change. Maine on Thursday, which proposed io take away from in that method of appointment by a vote of the Senate, the presiding officer the power of appointing any com- till in 1823, when it was given to the presiding officer, mittees whatsoever. As this proposition bad placed him and remained in his gift till 1826. In 1829 there was a in a somewhat delicate position, be thought that he should change to the rule as it now stands, giving the power of best discharge bis duty by waiting the result of this mo- appointment to the President pro tem. The reason astion, especially as the inconvenience to the Senate of signed for this change was, that the Vice President was waiting a few days would be very trifling.
an officer not appointed by the suffrages of the Senate; Mr. CLAY expressed a hope that the Senate would take and being thus not amenable to that body, his appointup the resolution to which the Chair referred; and the Se- ments might not be agreeable to the majority of that body. nate proceeded to the resolutions, the first of which was He presented these remarks for the consideration of the the following, submitted by Mr. Benton on Thursday Senate, under a full conviction himself of their propriety; last:
but he should be perfectly content with the determination Resolved, that the Secretary of the Treasury be di- of the Senate on the subject. rected to report to the Senate
Mr. GRUNDY was not prepared to vote in favor of the 1. A statement of the amount of public moneys in the alteration. He wished to be satisfied, before the change Bank of the United States at the end of each month for took place, of the benefit which would result from its each year, from the establishment of the bank to the pre- adoption. There had been a great diversity of practice. sent time.
Originally the Senate appointed all their own committces; 2. The average amount of the same for each year. but difficulties interposed, and induced a change of the
The average of the same for the whole time. rules, so as to give the appointment to the presiding offiMr. CLA hoped that this resolution would be suffered cer. There was afterwards a change, that the appointto lie on the table until another day. He liad wished (ments should be made by the Vice President, which re
Dec. 9, 1833.]
Appointment of Committees.
mained the rule for a considerable length of time, till a rule were to be changed at all, he would desire to see it Senator from Virginia expressed the belief that there was so altered that the appointment of committees should be not such a political relation between the Vice President decided upon only by a majority of the members of that and the Senate as to justify the practice of his appointing House. He would, therefore, conclude by moving, as the committees. The power was not given him by the an amendment, “ that the above-mentioned rule be so constitution, and he was not responsible to the Senate. changed, as to render a majority of votes necessary to The old order was adopted, that the Senate should elect the election of each member of a committee." their committees, which continued in force till the fall of Mr. SPRAGUE said he had no particular objection to 1828. Mr. G. wished to be informed by those members the amendment, and should be pleased to see it acted who had had experience in this method, whether it was upon, if it were practicable: he was himself in favor of the occasion of any serious difficulties. A plurality of a majority. five or ten votes might place members on important com- The amendment was then put and carried. mittees, perhaps not improperly; but one thing was cer. Mr. CHAMBERS argued in favor of the resolution, tain, that members might have experience to qualify them and against the postponement. He thought that the most better than other members without such experience, even proper mode of appointing the committees would be by if the latter had the greater talents. Since the alteration the votes of the Senate. of the rule to its present form, Mr. G. had been sensible Mr. WRIGHT said that, having sat so short a time in that of to inconvenience; and he doubted whether there had House, he was unable to speak from experience of the been any sufficient to authorize a change, because it had advantages or disadvantages of the present system. He been the instrument of harmony and despatch in their had, however, reflected upon the subject, and, setting proceedings. He was glad to hear that the proposed all party feeling aside, it did appear to him that the queschange was not predicated on any deficiency in the pre- tion resolved itself into two points: either that the House siding officer; and unless there was some stronger reason should be contented to undergo the immense labor of bal. for the change than had been urged, he should vote in lotting, or suffer the election of committees to be decided opposition to the resolution, and in favor of the old rule. by a few votes. He did not pretend to decide upon this He repeated his wish to hear the opinions of those mem- important question, but certainly was inclined to think bers of long standing, who had had experience in the va- that the Senate shoull not change its present system in rious changes.
this matter. It appeared that a controversy had former. Mr. KING said it was evident that the practice of bally arisen upon this subject; that at one time the commitloting for each member of a committee would occupy too tees had been appointed by the Vice President; but that much time; such a system was bad enough when applied the Senate having become convinced of the impropriety to the election of a chairman, but would be almost im- of vesting this right in an individual not amenable to their practicable as at present recommended. The fact is, that body, had afterwards passed a rule permitting the comthe evils arising from this method of appointment had for- mittees to be chosen by the President pro tem. He had merly induced the Senate to run into the opposite extreme, heard that if the Vice President had taken his seat at the and to vest too much power in the hands of the Vice Pre- commencement of this session, the present debate could sident; but that, having afterwards discovered their er- not have arisen, as, by the existing laws of the Senate, he ror, they had taken it from the Vice President, and con-|(the Vice President) would have preserved the power of ferred it upon their presiding officer pro tem. In this choosing the committees. He had also learned, and from procedure, he (Mr. K.) was of opinion that the Senate authority which he could not doubt, that the rule adoptbad acted most properly: They had placed the mattered in the fall of 1828 was considered as a distinct intiin the hands of an individual well calculated to fulfil the mation to the Vice President that his presence would not important duty which devolved upon him; one who knew be agreeable until the Senate had been organized. Mr. the separate capabilities of each member—some gentle. W. then referred to the journals of 1829 and 1830, and men had talents for one description of business, others for those of a subsequent date, and continued that he did another; one who would be able to parcel out the labor this to show that the Vice President had not assumed his in a proper manner; one who was of, and amenable to, seat until after the organization of the Senate. He betheir own body; and one who had hitherto, in every re- lieved that the Vice President, in absenting himself, had spect, fulfilled his duties to their satisfaction. The mat- only been influenced by natural and respectful feelings to. ter is at present, he (Mr. K.) believed, settled in the wards the Senate, and to give that body an opportunity manner most conducive to the general good; he saw no of electing their presiding officer. Mr. W. concluded necessity for a change. By balloting for each member, by saying that he believed there was a gentleman upon four or five gentlemen might be chosen for the same com- the floor of the House who could confirm what he (Mr. mittee. Arrangements might be made out of doors, and w.) had said, and give the House further information members might be influenced, for the moment, by pop- upon the subject. ular individuals. He felt himself compelled to vote Mr. CLAY said that he was, and he regretted to be against any change in the present system, and could not bliged to acknowledge it, the oldest member of the Sensee why any alteration should be wished for, unless gen- ate, having taking his seat here for the first time twentytlemen intended to appoint committees which should act seven years ago, this month. He served out the session, and just as they (gentlemen) happened to think proper. was then absent for some years; but, on his return, he
Mr. BIBB wished to know what rule of the Senate found the Senate in the practice of appointing their own would be altered by the adoption of the preceding resolu- committees. He could not recollect that any particular tion; he believed it would be the 34th rule, which declar- inconvenience attended that mode of appointment. It ed “that, in the absence of the Vice President, the Pre- took some time, but that time happened to be when the sident pro tem. should have the power of appointing com- Senate had always a great deal of leisure, during the few mittees.” He was certainly opposed to that rule; for, un- first weeks of the session. He expressed his regret that der its action, he had seen five or six votes elect a commit- his colleague had thought it necessary to introduce his tee. Such committees were consequently not elected by amendment, but, since it had been adopted, he should. a majority of the Senate; they were, in some cases, per- vote for the resolution as it was amended. It would be fectly accidental: he had known an election influenced easy to apply a remedy hereafter, if the necessity of hav. and decided by the simple fact of some of the members ing a majority to elect the members of a committee should of that House sitting near each other. He was hostile to be found productive of inconvenience. the resolution as it then stood, and must say, that is the Something had been said as to the absence of a high of.
[Dec. 10, 1833. ficer, and that absence had been justified on the ground He therefore preferred the existing rule to that proposed, of usage. It had been said that, since the rule was al-'even with the amendment. tered, an intimation had been given to the Vice President Mr. SPRAGUE remarked, that as the Senator was that it would be more agreeable to the Senate that he willing to have the amendment reconsidered, he wished should be absent until the committees were appointed. it might be done. He recollected a circunstance which occurred in the Mr. BIBB then moved to reconsider the amendment, British House of Commons when he happened to be pre- which motion prevailed.
The ministers had been charged with neglect in The amendment was not adopted. not placing a squadron at the island of Elba, so as to pre- Mr. GRUNDY, on the original resolution, called for vent Napoleon from going back to France, and Lord Cas- the yeas and nays. tlereagh was questioned concerning it. No man was more The PRESIDENT, from motives of delicacy, asked to happy than his lordship in eluding a question when he be excused from giving his vote on the resolution. did not desire to answer it, although it was equally due to Mr. POINDEXTER said the resolution had no referhim to state that no man was more fearless in meeting the ence to the present presiding officer, and he hoped be consequences of his measures whenever he thought it pro- would feel no delicacy in giving his vote. A single conper to avow them. On this occasion, the ministers sideration ought to govern the vote; the committees should had been certainly guilty of great negligence; but it represent the Senate. It was of great importance that would not do for Lord Castlereagh to admit it. He there. their reports should express to the public the sense of the fore gave a response, which was somewhat like the in. Senate on all important measures. He thought, there. timation alluded to by the Senator from New York. Hefore, that when reports were thrown on the public, it said that there was an understanding between the Gov- should be done by committees who would truly repreernment and a certain high officer, that, in “ the event sent the Senate. It was a delicate and difficult duty; but of contingencies,” which he did not specify, a squadron it should be done without regard to personal considerawas to be placed near the island of Elba. If any of the tions; and when the committees throw upon the nation opposition could make any thing out of this reply, they the vast volume of their reports, it should be conducted were left to do so. If the Vice President viewed the by the action of the Senate. He bad learned that lists of adoption of the present system of appointment as an inti- the names of committees had been sent into the depart. mation, he must be very ready to take a hint. He (Mr. ments, to see if they were acceptable. He thought such C.) always went directly to the place where the peo. a proceeding improper. If the Senate should act in the ple put him, as a public servant ought to do, and there case for themselves, he thought it would be most likely to performed
his duty, no matter what it was. As to the for- be acceptable to the country. mer Vice President, and the time when he appeared in Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN said he should be glad of an his place, something ought to be allowed on the score of opportunity for the further consideration of the subject, the distance he had to travel. There was a great differ- and, as the time was far advanced, on his motion, ence between coming from Albany, especially with the The Senate adjourned. present facilities of travelling, and a long journey from South Carolina, perhaps partly by water, and the residue
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10. over the bad roads of the Ancient Dominion. He thought it was an invidious distinction, that an officer appointed
PUBLIC LANDS. by themselves might with propriety appoint the commit- Mr. CLAY, pursuant to notice, asked and obtained tees, while an officer elected by the people was not per-leave to introduce a bill to appropriate for a limited time mitted to do so.
the proceeds of the public lands, and granting lands to He disclaimed any desire to throw an imputation on the certain States. He explained that the bill was the same presiding officer in his character as President pro tem. as that which passed at the last session, without material He had already, on a fornier occasion, testified to his en- alteration, excepting the removal of the restriction of the tire fitness, and he was not now disposed to retract that States in the application of the proceeds, which he contestimony; and he would add, that the delicate mannersidered as unnecessary. in which that officer had this morning announced the The bill was then read a first time, and ordered to the course he had taken in refraining from the appointment of second reading. the committees, had given him a stronger claim to confi.
CONDITION OF THE BANKS. dence. But he thought the Senate owed it to themselves to appoint their own committees.
On motion of Mr. CLAY, the following resolution, offerMr. BIBB said he did not wish to interfere with the cd by Mr. BENTON, was taken up for consideration: sense of the majority of the Senate; but be thought that s'Resolved, that the Secretary of the Treasury be di. without the proposed amendment, to appoint each com- rected to report to the Senatemitteeman by a majority instead of a plurality, the reso- 1. A statement of the amount of public moneys in the lution was highly objectionable; and even if it were so Bank of the United States at the end of each month, for amended, it did not comport with bis ideas of convenience. each year, from the establishment of the bank to the preBut if the committees were to be appointed by the Sen- sent time. ate, he should insist on its being done by a majority. 2. The average amount of the same for each year. But he favored the rule in its present form, that the pre- 3. The average of the same for the whole time." siding officer appoint the standing committees, and all Mr. CLAY then moved to amend the resolution by addothers, unless the practice should be dispensed with, by a ing as follows: special order of the Senate. The presiding officer could ** And resolved also, That the Secretary of the Treaknow how to make a distinction of labor and qualifica- sury be directed to report to the Senate the names of all tions better than a majority. Mr. B. was strengthened banks, and where they are respectively situated, which in his views of the subject, from the belief that it was have been selected by him, in place of the Bank of the the practice in most deliberative bodies in Great Britain United States, as depositories of the public money; the and America to appoint the committees by the presiding amount of the capital of the said banks respectively, disofficer. Ile had not been heretofore sensible of any in. tinguishing between what has been actually paid in by the convenience resulting from the practice. It was one ob- stockholders, and what has not been paid; the amount of jection to the proposed mode of appointment by the Sen- public moneys in each of the said banks on the 1st of ate, that one-third of that body go out every two years. TOctober, the 1st of Norember, and the 1st of Decem
Dxc. 10, 1833.]
Removal of the Deposites.
ber, 1833, distinguishing between the same standing to dition of the treasury? A high officer of the Governthe credit of the United States, and those standing to the ment, who ought to be in the chair, now so honorably credit of any public officer, or other disbursing agent of filled by the President pro tem., and whose absence he the Government; the amount of debts due from each of (Mr. C.) sincerely regretted, had once told the Senate to the said banks on each of the days aforesaid, the amount see where the lost rights of the States were. Now he of notes in circulation, and the amount of specie in their (Mr. C.) wished to discover where was the public treavaults, respectively; the names of the stockholders in sury, and whether the public money was in safe cuseach of the said banks on the 1st day of September and tody. the 1st day of October last, distinguishing between fo- It was not his purpose to go into a discussion, but he reigners and citizens of the United States; the mode in bad risen to state that it appeared to him to be his duty which transfers of the public money were made from as a Senator, and he hoped that other Senators took simithe Bank of the United States to the said banks respect- lar views of their duty, to look into this subject, and to see ively, whether by warrant or otherwise; if by warrant, what was to be done. As the report of the Secretary of the whether they were issued in pursuance of appropriations Treasury bad declared the reasons which had led to the repreviously made by law, and whether any such transfers moval of the public deposites, and as the Senate had to judge were requested by the said banks, or either of them, or whether, on investigation of these reasons, the act was a made by the Treasury, to sustain the credit of the said wise one or not, he considered that it would not be right banks, or any of them; and a copy of all correspondence to refer the subject to any committee, but that the Senate between the Department of the Treasury and the said should at once act on it, not taking it up in the form of a banks, or either of them, relating to the said transfers, or report of a committee, but going into an examination of any of them; at what periods the several charters of the the reasons as they had been submitted. banks so designated as depositories of the public money ex- He wished to make the report of the Secretary the pire; copies of the said charters; and whether the Secretary order for some particular day, in the belief that the of the Treasury has been able to obtain, at all parts of the requisition made by the act of Congress on the Secretary United States at which banks are established, the consent of the Treasury for his reasons on the removal of the of banks to receive, as deposites, the public money, upon deposites, was doubtless intended to place the whole such conditions as he approves; and, if not, at what parts matter before Congress for consideration. has he been unable to obtain such consent."
Mr. C. then moved to postpone the consideration Mr. CLAY said that the amendment he had offered of the report until Monday next, and to make it the embraced a great variety of information; perhaps not all, special order for that day. however, which might be required by every Senator. In Mr. BENTON admitted that Congress bad full power order to afford time for examination, and for making any to go into the examination of the report. But he readditions to the call, he would move to lay the resolution quested the Senate to bear in mind that the Secretary on the table, and print the amendment.
had announced, among other reasons which he had assignThe motion was agreed to.
ed for the removal of the deposites, that it had been causREMOVAL OF THE DEPOSITES.
ed by the misconduct of the bank, and he had gone into
a variety of specifications, charging the bank with interMr. CLAY rose and said that he desired to call the at- fering with the liberties of the people in their most vital tention of the Senate to a subject, perhaps exceeding in elements—the liberty of the press, and the purity of importance any other question likely to come before the elections. The Secretary bad also charged the bank present Congress. He adverted to the report of the with dishonoring its own paper on several occasions, and Secretary of the Treasury on the subject of the removal that it became nccessary to compel it to receive paper of of the deposites. He then moved to take up this report its own branches. Here, then, were grave charges of for consideration.
misconduct, and he wished to know whether, in the face The motion having been agreed to,
of such charges, this Congress was to go at once, without Mr. C. then said that the charter granted to the the previous examination of a committee, into action upon Bank of the United States provided for the deposite of the subject? the money of the United States in that bank and its He desired to know whether the Senate were now branches. It vested in the Secretary of the Treasury about to proceed to the consideration of this document as the power to remove those deposites, whenever such it steod, and, without receiving any evidence of the removal should be required by the public interests; charges, or taking any course to establish their truth, to but it is further required that whenever he does re- give back the money to this institution? He thought it move the deposites, he shall submit to Congress his rea- would be only becoming in the bank itself to ask for a sons for the act at their next session. A removal of the committee of scrutiny into its conduct, and that the subpublic deposites had been determined on. How this was ject ought to be taken up by the House of Representato be effected, or at whose instance, was not at present tives, which, on account of its members, its character as the question to be considered. But a removal had taken the popular branch, and the fact that all money bills place; and the Secretary had stated that this was done originated there, was the most proper tribunal for the by his order, and he had laid before Congress his reasons. hearing of this case. He did not mean to deny that the When Congress, at the time of the passage of the charter Senate had the power to go into the examination. But of the bank, made it necessary that these reasons should to fix a day now for the trial of so important a case, be submitted, they must have had some purpose in their he considered as premature. Were the whole of the mind. It must have been intended that Congress should charges to be blown out of the paper by the breath of look into these reasons, determine as to their validity, the Senate? Were they to decide on the question, each and approve or disapprove them, as might be thought Senator sitting there as witness and juror in the case? He proper. The reasons had now been submitted, and it did not wish to stand there in the character of a witness, was the duty of Congress to decide whether or not they unless he was to be examined on oath either at the bar of were sufficient to justify the act. If there was a sub- the Senate, or before a committee of that body, where ject which, more than any other, seemed to require the the evidence would be taken down. He wished to know prompt action of Congress, it certainly was that which the manner in which the examination was to be con. had reference to the custody and care of the public trea- ducted; for he regarded this motion as an admission of sury. The Senate, therefore, could not, at too early a the truth of every charge which had been made in the period, enter on the question—what was the actual con- report, and as a flight from investigation.
Election of Chaplain.-Appointment of Committees.
(Dec. 10, 1833.
The motion was then agreed to, and the report was but from an expression of delicacy on the part of the made the special order for Monday next.
President. That feeling had been expressed by him Mr. CLAY then offered the following resolution. He yesterday; and, after a night's reflection, he had again believed that, by the rule of the Senate, it would have to suggested the same delicate consideration. The Senator lie one day. His object was to discover who it was that from Tennessee had said that he and the President might had made the removal of the deposites.
both be excused on the same ground of delicacy: Mr. Resolved, That the President of the United States be C. thought the questions were very different; they rerequested to inform the Senate whether a paper, under lated to the investment of power in one man or many; to date of the 18th day of September, 1833, purporting to a concentration or distribution of power, of which the have been read by him to the heads of the several de Senator would bave 1-41 of the whole; the difference partments, relating to the deposites of the public money was as 41 to 1. Mr. C. was always disposed to applaud in the treasury of the United States, and alleged to have the motives which had for their object the avoidance of been published by his authority, be genuine or not; and, power, rather than those which would often suggest the if it be genuine, that he be also requested to cause a declaration, “I am ready to take the responsibility." copy of the said paper to be laid before the Senate. The question was, whether the power of the Senate The resolution lies on the table.
should be resumed by that body. The Senator supposed ELECTION OF CHAPLAIN.
the Vice President might soon be here, and it was desira
ble that he should be; for, until he arrived, the Senate The Senate then proceeded to the special order of the could not be properly organized. If he should arrive day, being the election of a chaplain.
to-morrow by 12 o'clock, the Senate would then have all On the first ballot it appeared that there were 39 discretion, and would elect their entire committees by ballots given in, of which Mr. Post had 13, Mr. Pise 10, ballot. He should, however, insist on the restitution of Mr. Smith 8, Mr. Hatch 6, and 2 scattering.
the power to the Senate. Whenever the President On the second trial 41 ballots were given in, viz: Mr. should announce the conviction expressed by the Senator Post 14, Mr. Smith 11, Mr. Hatch 10, Mr. Pise 6. from Tennessee, he should yield the point at once; but,
On the third trial 40 ballots were given in, viz: Mr. while his feelings of delicacy prevailed, he should persePost 16, Mr. Smith 11, Mr. Hatch 12, Mr. Pise 1. vere in the proposition to excuse him.
On the fourth trial there were 40 ballots given in, viz: Mr. GRUNDY said he did not know the movements of Mr. Post 15, Mr. Smith 11, Mr. lIatch 13, Mr. Pise 1. the Vice President; he was not informed whether he
On the fifth trial there were 40 votes given in, of would arrive to-morrow; but he did know that, for years, which there were for Mr. Post 14, Mr. Smith 8, Mr. the Vice President never did arrive for a week after the Hlatch 17, Mr. Pise 1.
session commenced, or at any rate till after the comOn the sixth ballot Mr. Hatch received 23 votes out of mittees were appointed. If the Vice President had now 41, and was declared elected.
done exactly as his predecessors had done without com. APPOINTMENT OF COMMITTEES.
plaint, he saw no reason why complaints should now be
made. He asked if the President had expressed an un. The Senate then resumed the consideration of the fol. willingness to appoint the committees; he had not heard lowing resolution offered by Mr. SPRAGUE:
him; on the contrary, he had signified his wish to exercise Resolved, That the 35th rule of the Senate shall be the power of appointment. Of the propriety of his doing amended so as to read and stand as it did prior to the so, each individual must judge for himself; each had his 24th day of December, 1828.
own different ideas of propriety; but he would not con. The CHAIR having again requested to be excused from sent to vote that a State should have but a single voice, voting on the question,
when it had two Senators; and if the President's opinions Mr. CLAY moved that the Chair be excused. accorded with his own, he would be against relinquishing
Mr. GRUNDY said the question was first started by his sense of public duty. the Chair, and he believed that it arose from a misunder- Mr. CALHOUN rose to say that he had never understanding on the subject. When the honorable Senator stood that the Vice President was not to take his seat till the was appointed Chairman, the appointment of the com- appointment of committees had been made. He remarked mittees devolved upon bim in virtue of his office. He that in all cases he had been unable to arrive earlier, and now asked to be excused from voting; and why? because the reason why he did not must be attributed to domestic of the delicacy of the case; because his vote would go to and private considerations; he was incapable of getting here retain power, or divest himself of it. He asked what in time. He had not intended to participate in the debate, was the difference between the President and himself but he would say that he entirely concurred with the Sena. (Mr. G.) in voting on the resolution. Mr. G. would tor from Mississippi, that the committees should truly revote !o take away power from the President, and present the Senate, and should therefore be chosen by give a part to himself; there was, therefore, the same their suffrage. ground for delicacy in both cases.
Mr. FORSYTH endeavored, in a few words, to vindiThere were still other considerations adverse to his cate the Vice President against the allusions which had being excused. The power of the President was now been thrown out respecting him. temporary; to-morrow at 12 o'clock the Vice President Mr. SPRAGUE thought the rule ought to be amended might arrive, and the present presiding officer might, by as proposed; or that the power of the President should being excused, divest himself of an important right to not be left, as now, beyond the will and control of the vote on the resolution, when he should stand on a level Senate. He now held his power at the will of another man, with the other Senators; and so, by declining to vote, or who might appear at any moment, and, by taking his seat by being exempted from voting, an entirely different di- or not, as he pleased, miglit leave the choice of the comrection and decision might be given to the measure. Mr. mittees to the President pro tem., or compel the Senate to G.'s sense of duty would not permit vim to consent that select them by ballot. He asked what inconvenience would the President should be excused. It was a sufficient be incurred by adopting the resolution? At this period of reason why live should vote against his request, that it was the session, it was not as great as was incurred by the due to his coristituents have them represented by a people, in their primary assemblies, when they chose their full vote.
own officers. He thought the Senate should not shrink Mr. CLAY said he had made the motion to excuse the from a labor that was constantly incurred by the people. President, not from any opinion or feeling of his own, it had been said that the appointments had better be