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ceive the payment in 1001. Bank-notes; gentlemen it was not making Bank-notes and must continue to remain B's debtor, legal tenders. He would contend that it and pay him interest. This seemed to had the effect, that of carrying out of the him to be a great absurdity. It was said, country all its coin. The Bank had told the measure was necessary ;-he knew them that a dollar was worth 58. 6d. No not the circumstances that made it so : it man was more aware of the use of
paper had not been called for by Ireland, save in credit than he was, but he wished it to be one Petition from Belfast, presented by the so restricted as to have a full security. noble lord, and he was convinced if that The House divided. Ayes 61 ; Noes was looked into, that the signatures would 16. Majority 45. be found to be more connected with the
List of the Minority. commercial than the landed interests. It had also been said, that there yvere, op: Busk, w.
Babiogton, T. Moore, P. pressive landlords—he did not doubt but Colbouro, R.
Newport, Sir J. there might be persons of this description, Combe, H. C.
Romilly, Sir 8. but he could not think this a sufficient Folkestone, Lord Westerne, C. C. reason for forcing the currency of a coun. Giles, D.
Whitbread, S. try out of its natural state. There would Johnstone, G.
TELLERS. be many inconveniencies in applying the Langton, G.
Morris, E. measure to Ireland, as the circumstances Marryatt, J.
Smith, W. of that country were very different from Martin, N. this. English gentlemen were not aware Adjourned to Tuesday, the 7th of April. of the great difference that existed. In England, for instance, there were few
HOUSE OF COMMONS. perpetual leases, but in Ireland there were a great many. Numbers of gentlemen
Tuesday, April 7. found their lands let for 900 or 099 years, PETITION FROM BLACKBURN RESPECT. and to compel them who had so little re- ING THE ORDERS IN COUNCIL.] A Peti. venue out of their property, to receive it in tion of several inhabitants of the town of depreciated paper, would be to subject them Blackburn, in the county palatine of Lanto great loss, and indeed to leave them caster, was presented and read; setting scarcely any thing. Upon this class of pri-forth, vate gentlemen, therefore, the hardship “ That the Petitioners beg leave to ad. would
be very great; for their situation did dress the House in consequence of a Peti. not at all resemble that of landlords in this tion having been transmitted to the House country, whose leases were only for a few from several inhabitants of the said town years, and who at every new bargain had and neighbourhood, particularizing many à remedy in their own hands. The mat- grievances which those Petitioners are ter, as it affected Ireland, would be found, tated to labour under, and praying for a when they came to the committee, to be revocation of the Orders of Council, that most complex and difficult, and the injus- the advantages of the East India trade shall tice to certain individuals greater than perbe enjoyed without exclusion or limita. sons in this country could have any notion. tion, and especially that measures towards He would give his negative to the second the pacification of Europe may become reading of this Bill, because he opposed it the subject of the immediate deliberation in principle, and this was the proper stage of the House; and that, feeling for the for that opposition. It was said to be po- credit of the town of Blackburn, and dispular, whether truly or not, he could not approving of many of the sentiments consay. If popular here, however, he might veyed by the said Petition, they should assert, it would not be popular in Ireland; consider themselves wanting in duty to and he was convinced its popularity in the House, and also personally to themthis country arose from its nature and ten-selves, were they not to state to the House, dency not being understood. In his opi. that the Petition to which they allude is nion, it was a most pernicious measure, not sanctioned by the inhabitants of the and he would reserve to himself the right town at large, that it originated with inof contending against it hereafter, when it dividuals, by whom it was privately prewas subjected to more mature discussion, pared, that ihe signatures to it have been
Mr. Marryatt thought that the measure industriously obtained by lodging the Pewould be a great oppression to the land- tition in different parts of the town, where lords of Ireland. He had heard from hon. persons have been employed to procure them; and that many of the persons sub. , Petitioners were at that time informed the scribing the Petition have been induced measure was to be limited and temporary, by a representation that it would lead to and accordingly an Act, the 35 Geo. 3, c. a termination of the war, and without any 115, was passed, authorizing, during the consideration whether peace was attain. last war, and for eighteen months after its able, except on terms which would pro- conclusion, ships not British built, arriving bably produce our own subjugation ; and from the East Indies on account of the that, though the Petitioners are anxious East India Company, to enter inwards and for, and deeply interested in, the revival outwards if such ships were actually built of commerce, which by many is thought within the Company's territories; and that to have been greatly checked by the or similar attempts having been subsequently ders in Council, yet, as they cannot fully made, some of the Petitioners applied, in see how far these Orders may bear upon 1797, to his Majesty's then government on and thwart the political views of our im. the subject, when ihey received the most placable and insidious enemy, they pre positive assurances that the regular and sume not ta express a wish that the Orders China trade of the East India Company should be rescinded, but trust that the should be confined to British built ships ; united wisdom of the House will adopt and that under this persuasion, and consuch measures as may ultimately tend to vinced of the sincerity of the assurances so the national prosperity; and that, though given to them, the Petitioners were enabled the Petitioners conceive that an open and to quiet the alarms of the industrious pervarestricted trade gives rise to a liberal sons before-mentioned, who had at ihat competition, a generous emulation, and an time formed meetings, and had entered increasing activity and exertion, yet they into resolutions expressive of their fears think it indecorous to dictate what ought and dissatisfaction of the measure ; indeed, to be done, in full confidence that the the impression which it appeared to have House will comply with the general wish made on their minds was such as if their respecting the East India Company's char existence depended on its total relinquish. ter, and consult the general welfare ; and ment and suppression; but on a pledge that they lament, in common with the being given to them by the Petitioners, in Petitioners before-mentioned, the horrors conformity with the explanation they had and calamities occasioned by war, and received from his Majesty's then governwould be grateful for a re-establishment of ment, that the measure was partial and public tranquillity; but, at the same time, temporary, and that the Company's reguthey have the firmest reliance that no op- lar irade would be continued in British portunity will be lost, or endeavours want- built ships, these artificers and others ing, to cultivate a friendly intercourse with were pacified and prevailed on to return the united states of America, and to pro- to their respective employments; and cure a general peace, upon terins of how that, in perfect confidence and reliance on nour to the crown, being fully convinced the solemn assurances so given to the Pe. that it is the earnest desire of the Prince titioners, they did not entertain any appreRegent to relieve his Majesty's subjects hension that further encouragement or exfrom the burthens of an expensive war, to tension would be given to the employment extend commerce, and to augment the of Indian built ships by the East India prosperity and happiness of the kingdom.” Company beyond the partial and limited Ordered to lie upon the table.
admission of them under the statute be.
fore-mentioned in their irregular, trade, PetitioN FROM THE Ship BUILDERS which is the first instance of the legisla. OF LONDON RESPECTING THE EAST IN. ture recognizing, as the Petitioners be. DIA COMPANY.] Mr, Marryatt presented lieve, of Indian built ships ; they therea Petition from several ship-builders in the fore observed, with astonishment and disport of London, setting forth,
may, the recent extension of India built “ That an attempt having been made, ships in the Company's general service ; in the year 1795, to legalize Indian built and that the Petitioners beg leave to state, ships, the jealousy and fears of the various that they understand the East India Comclasses dependant on ship-building in that pany have formed a systematic plan of port were so much excited and alarmed, building and equipping ships in the East that they petitioned the legislature against Indies for their regular trade, and that, the Bill which had been brought into par under some specious pretext or other, they liament for that purpose ; and that the have already taken up several Indian
built ships for that service, besides giving with the trade and naval power of the encouragement for the building there of country; and that on them, in a great ships of lesser tonnage for sale in Great measure, must depend their continuance, Britain ; and the Petitioners have reason as the private yards, especially those in to believe, that in furtherance of this sys- the port of London, are the great nurseries tem, many sets of workmen, particularly for the King's yards, yielding on the comrope-makers, taking with them the machi- mencement, and affording in the progress nery now used in that manufacture, have of a war, a continual supply of ablequitted this country for India, where, in a bodied men for the public service, and, on few years, they will disseminate the know the return of peace, an asylum for them ledge they possess, to the manifest injury when discharged from it; and that the of the trade of this country; and that the Petitioners refrain from further observafears of the Petitioners were increased from tion on the impolicy of the introduction of having found, in the course of 1809, that, Indian built ships into the Company's reby a clause introduced into an act of par- gular service, and into the general trade of liament, embracing other objects, which the country, and of having extensive mawas passed in 1802, namely, 42 Geo. 3, c. rine establishments in the East, which 20, sec. 6, the admission of Indian built must inevitably conduce to that species of ships to entry in Great Britain, as before colonization which has already proved so stated, has been extended, to continue in disastrous to Great Britain, it being eviforce during the Company's monopoly ; dent, that the building equipment and emand that it is under this Act the directors ployment of such ships will reverse the have taken up the Indian built ships be- natural order of the Indian trade, estrange fore-mentioned for their regular trade, not the affections of the persons engaged in it withstanding the reasons alleged by them from the mother country, make India the in their third report of the 25th of March commencement and termination of their 1802 on the private trade, of the impolicy voyages, and lay the foundation of a sysof employing ships of that description, tem which will render more equivocal and and the Petitioners beg leave most respecto precarious the continuance of British infully to refer to the serious facts therein Aluence and British power in that quarter stated in favour of the employment of of the globe; and that the Petitioners British built ships in the Company's ser- humbly hope that the legislature will, in vice; and that the Petitioners were not future, confine, by statute, the regular and aware of any intention to extend the pro- China trade of the East India Company visions of the Act, first before-mentioned, to British built shipping, and that the perotherwise they would have appealed to the mission granted to the East India Company legislature, on the latter occasion, for that by 42 Geo. 3, c. 20, sec. 6, may not be protection which they now most humbly renewed or continued after the expiration solicit of the House; and that, under these of the period limited by that Act.” circumstances, the Petitioners, with the Ordered to lie on the table. greatest deference and respect, venture to appeal to the House, as the crisis appears PETITIONS FROM Paisley, GLASGOW, to them to have arrived when it is to be KirkaLDY, AND KILMARNOCK, AGAINST THE considered, whether the extensive esta. Renewal Of The East India COMPAblishments which have been formed within ny's Charter.) A Petition of the mathe port of London for ship-building, gistrates and common council of the town mast-making, rope-making, sail-making, of Paisley, in council assembled, was preand the various and numerous branches of sented and read ; setting forth, trade, and manufacture connected with “ That the charter of the united comthem, in which are employed so many pany of merchants of England trading to thousand individuals of the most estimable the East Indies being soon to expire, the classes in a maritime country, are to be Petitioners presume to express their sentisacrificed to the interests of the settlers in ments on a subject peculiarly interesting India, and to a mistaken notion of economy to that populous and manufacturing diswhich will ultimately prove as prejudicial trict of the country, as well as to the nato the Company as ruinous to the state ; tion in general: and that they, in comand that the Petitioners bumbly presume mon with the rest of their fellow subjects, it will be admitted that these establish conceive that they have a right to a free ments are not the production of a few trade with all parts of the British empire, years, but that they have gradually risen and other countries in amity with the united kingdom; and they are humbly of Cape Horn, ofters a very considerable subopinion that the great object of all legisla- stitute for what the enemy has shut up live regulation in the commercial concerns from this kingdom in Europe ; and that of the country is the protection of this the United States of America, and other equal right in the subject, and the further countries in amity with his Majesty, have extension of a just and legitimate com- long enjoyed the privilege of trading to merce, and that therefore all monopolies, our India possessions, from wbich our felwhich exclude the general body of the low subjects have been excluded ; and people from this commerce, are a viola- that whatever political or other reasons tion of their natural rights and privileges; may have heretofore existed for such an and, that, of the injurious consequences at- exclusion, the Petitioners presuine that the tending all attempts at an exclusive traffic, present period of distress calls loudly for an the Petitioners have good reason for con- effectual removal of that exclusion upon cluding the present monopoly of the East the termination of the present charter of India Company affords renewed evidence, the East India Company; and praying it being not only prejudicial to the general the House to adopt such measures as may interest of the country, but also, if they give relief in this respect to the subjects of are rightly informed, unprofitable to the this realm.” Company itself, whose capital, there is strong reason for believing, is by no means A Petition of the trades house of the adequate to so extended a trade; and that, city of Glasgow, was also presented and in the present depressed state of the ma- read ; setting forth, nufactures and commerce of that part of « That from the present depressed state the united kingdom, every measure of as- of the commerce and manufactures of this sistance that the House can afford, ought country, arising from the very limited to be exerted, and the Petitioners look up channels for exportation, owing to the with confidence, and indulge the most continental restrictions lately laid thereon, anxious bope, that partial considerations the Petitioners have observed with deep will not be permitted to sacrifice and set regret the shock which the trading and aside their most serious and important in- manufacturing interests of the united emterests; and that, from these and various pire has thus sustained, and the conseother considerations, the Petitioners do quent state of distress and poverty which humbly and earnestly pray, that the House many thousands of their constituents emwill adopt measures for the total abolition ployed in the manufactures of that city of the commercial monopoly of the East and neighbourhood, as well as the maIndia Company at the expiration of their nufacturers and artizans throughout the present Charter, or at least that such mo. kingdom, have been reduced to without nopoly may not be permitted to deprive any immediate prospect of being soon reBritish subjects of those privileges allowed stored to their former situation, and that, to neutral nations; and that the charter, impressed with these feelings, and being if renewed, may be made subject to such convinced of the baneful effects resulting modifications and conditions as may be from whatever tends to cramp the merbest calculated for promoting the con- cantile and trading interests of this kingmerce and manufactures of the united dom, the Petitioners take the liberty of kingdom.”
suggesting, and earnestly recommending
to the serious consideration of the House, A Petition of the bailies and trustees of the policy of discontinuing the privilege or the united towns of Port Glasgow and monopoly hitherto enjoyed by the East Newark, was also presented and read; India Company, of trading to all those setting forth,
countries comprehended between the “ That under the present pressure upon Cape of Good Hope and the straits of Mathe trade of this kingdom by its inveterate gellan exclusively, to the prejudice of all enemy, the Petitioners do conceive that the other subjects of the empire; and every possible relief should be given to that, as the inhabitants of the United the mercantile and manufacturing con- States of America, and indeed the subjects cerns upon which depend, in a great mea of every other government in amity with sure, the finances of the country; and that this country, enjoy free commercial intera free trade with the British possessions in course with the British possessions in India, India, and with the other territories east the Petitioners consider it a hardship, bore of the Cape of Good Hope and west of dering on injustice, that the subjects of this kingdom should be burdened, to a jects of this empire; and they beg leave certain degree, with the expence of the shortly to express it as their opinion, naval and military establishments for de formed on deliberate consideration, that fending those possessions, while they are no monopoly whatever should be grantdeprived of that free commercial inter- ed or continued which may have the effect course which is enjoyed by foreigners; of precluding the merchants and shipand that if, therefore, a free trade with the owners of this kingdom, in every port large proportion of the population of the thereof, from enjoying all the benefits of a globe, comprehended under the exclusive free trade with every country to which grant to the East India Company, were to the British Flag is admitted, subject always be afforded to the mercantile talent and to such regulations as the government and capital of this empire, the Petitioners are legislature may deem just and expedient hopeful that a channel would thereby be for national purposes; and that the Peti. opened up, which would not only baffle tioners hope for further indulgence while the attempts of our insidious and invete- they suggest two considerations in relation rate enemy, but give useful and profitable to this subject, which appear to them to employment to mercantile capital in ge- have strong claims to attention: first, that neral, and thereby in a great degree give to many of the countries comprehended relief to the labouring and at present dis. under their exclusive charter, the East Intressed state of the manufacturers and ar- dia Company have never traded, and to tizans of this kingdom ; and praying the which their limited capital will never perHouse to adopt such measures as may ren- mit them to extend their connections in der it lawful for any of his majesty's sub- trade; it seems therefore difficult, if not jects, from and after the expiry of the altogether impossible, to assign any good East India Company's present Charter, to reason why other persons and other capicarry on, from any of the ports of the tal belonging to the same country should United Kingdom, a free and equal trade not be allowed at any rate to do that for with the countries between the Cape which the present monopolists are inadeof Good Hope and the Straits of Magel- quate; second, the subjects of States in lan.”
amity with his Majesty, and particularly
those of the United States of America, A Petition of the provost magistrates have for a number of years past enjoyed and town council of the royal burgh of the freedom of trade with the countries Kirkaldy, in council assembled, was also alluded to, while the subjects of Great Bripresented and read; setting forth,
tain and Ireland have been excluded from “ That as the Charter under which the that privilege, or at least the privilege to East India Company enjoy an exclusive which the private trade is admitted, is fettrade to the countries lying to the East of tered with such restrictions as to render it the Cape of Good Hope, and to the West in a great measure nugatory, and that of the Straits of Magellan, will expire at the Petitioners are totally unable to reconno distant period, the Petitioners are desicile this arrangement with any principle Fous to draw the attention of the legisla- of justice or good policy, and they cannot lure to that subject; they feel themselves for a moment doubt the readiness of the particularly called on to do this at the legislature to remove so just a ground of present time, when their manufacturing complaint, while the removal of it would and shipping interests, as well as those of tend to greatly promote the commercial their fellow subjects, are suffering the se- and political interests of the kingdom; and verest pressure from the Continental res- praying the House to take this subject trictions imposed by the enemy, and other into serious consideration, and to adopt causes necessarily connected therewith : such measures in respect thereof as shall and that at this enlightened period the most effectually serve to open new marpetitioners conceive, that it is unnecessary kets for the decaying manufactures and for them to state at any length the injuri- commerce of the nation.” ous effects and general inexpediency of commercial monopolies, or the advantages A Petition of the magistrates and counthat would result to the trading and ma- cil of the town of Kilmarnock, in the counnufacturing interests of this kingdom, ty of Ayr, was also presented and read, were the extensive and populous countries setting forth, above-mentioned laid open to the industry “ That the inhabitants of Kilmarnock, and mercantile enterprise of all the sub. in common with those of other manufac.