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as minister, had made the pledges before for altering the appropriations of the proalluded to.
fits arising from the Indian revenues, and General Gascoyne said, that he should for enabling the Petitioners to raise such suffer no opportunity to pass without sums of money, or to contract such pepressing upon the House the injustice of cuniary obligations, as their affairs may the regulations said to be connected with require, in respect of the payment in this the renewal of the charter. Those regula- country of debts originally contracted in tions were injurious to the out-ports, and India, and for settling the trade to the directly contrary to the articles of the East Indies and China, and other places, Union with Ireland. He never could con from the cape of Bona Esperanza to ceive that it could enter into the contem. the streights of Magellan, or that the Petiplation of government to make all ships tioners may have such other relief as their coming from Asia discharge their return case may require.” cargoes in the port of London. To-mor- Mr. Creepey begged to ask, what course row he should make a motion, founded on it was intended to follow on this occasion. the papers made public in another quarter. The Chancellor of the Erchequer said, He should, however, previously move, that the Petition would be referred to a that those papers be laid before the House. Committee of the whole House, and that
Mr. Howarth complained of the delay certain Resolutions would be proposed to which had taken place in the negociations the Committee. between the Board of Controul and the General Gascoyne moved for Copies of Directors. From the 13th of February, all Correspondence which had taken place 1809, for two years and ten months, it ap. between the Board of Controul and the Di. peared that no communication had been rectors of the East India Company, rehad between them.
specting their present charter. Mr. Wullace could not give an official Mr. Wallace had no objection to the proanswer to the question of the last speaker. duction of the papers. He, however, proceeded to explain that The Papers were ordered accordingly, which had been noticed, and was under and will be found in the APPENDIX to this stood to say, that though he did not know Volume. that any official correspondence had taken place within the period alluded to, yet
SCARCITY OF PROVISIONS IN IRELAND.] there had been communications and dis- Sir John Newport, after adverting to the cussions on the subject. Some delay had scarcity of grain and other provisions occurred in consequence of its being which existed in many districts of Irethought desirable to wait for the Report of land, and to the necessity of preventing the Committee on the Finances of the the distillation from grain in that country, East India Company. With respect to moved for a general return of all the what had been said by the noble lord of grain, malt, meal, and flour exported from the concessions which had been made by Ireland, from the beginning of the present his right hon. friend, he thought they year to the latest period at which the same were answered by those very proceedings could be made out. on the report on which he had founded Mr. Wellesley Pole did not rise to oppose his statement, as it had there been stated, the motion, but to state that be had not that all was conceded on the part of the altered the opinion he had already ex. company, while nothing was secured in pressed on this subject. He was convinced return. The papers for which the hon. ihat there was no real scarcity of progeneral intended to move, were papers to visions throughout Ireland. The apparent the production of which he did not know deficiency was merely local, and arose that any objection would be made, but he from exports; but, at the same time, he thought the motion at present might be allowed that it was the duty of governpremature.
ment to allay the fears, however unfounded, The Petition was then presented and which the people of Ireland entertained. read; containing the like allegations as With this view he intended to move, tothe last preceding Petition; and praying, morrow, for leave to bring in a Bill to “That leave may be given to bring in a prevent the exportation abroad of Irish Bill or Bills for continuing the possession, made spirits; and he also intended to government, and management of the ter- move in the Committee of Ways and ritorial acquisitions in the East Indies in Means, for an additional duty on those the Petitioners, subject to regulation, and spirits imported to any part of the en
pire. The right hon.gentleman then went | Ireland, it was to be considered, that if we over the comparative price of potatoes, stopt them where they were legal, we gave and other articles of first necessity, in va- advantage to those which were illegal ; rious counties from the 14th of January to which, while it would be no saving of the the 8th of March, and concluded with as quantity of human food, would in a very serting, that the advance in price had been material degree injure the revenue. but trifling
Mr. Pole, in answer to the observations Mr. Latouche was of opinion, that it would of Mr. Shaw, stated, that the Irish gobe expedient to take into consideration vernment had received no information the policy of putting a temporary stop to which could lead them to think there was tbe distilleries.
a general scarcity. On the contrary, bis Sir J. Newport said he had been informed, opinion was, that there was plenty of that the distillers had sent to Mr.Pole exag- grain, and that the increase of price and gerated accounts of their stocks of grain, consequent alarm was owing to certain and in confirmation of which he read part outrages and speculations which had taken of a letter.
place. If there was any apprehension of Mr. Shaw of Dublin said, that the a general scarcity, he could assure the alarming price of provisions in Dublin bad hon. gentleman that government would excited a strong sensation, so much so, as take any step which might be necessary, to induce the magistrates to make repre- even were it the total stoppage of the dis. sentations on the subject to the lord lieu- tilleries; but as that was not the case, he tenant, with a view to the adoption of thought they should not proceed to do some measure of relief. He agreed that what must injure the revenue, and the the stopping of the distilleries now would agriculture of the country. be unjust, but thought they might be pre- The motion was then agreed to. vented from commencing again, as usual, in September, and that they ought to be
HOUSE OF LORDS. obliged to suspend their work until the January following. Such a measure would,
Wednesday, April 8. in his opinion, be sufficient to relieve the PEASANTRY OF IRELAND.) Earl Stanhope apprehension of scarcity.
adverted 10 the situation of the peasantry Mr. Parnell, from all the information of Ireland, who, he stated, were by the which be had been able to procure, was not operation of the tythe laws (as was also of opinion that any sound apprehension sometimes the case in this country) com. could be entertained of a scarcity. It had pelled to pay rent two, three or four times been stated to him, that in many parts pota. over. For the purpose of relieving them toes were still sold at 4d. per stone, which from this distressing situation he had precertainly could not be called dear. The pared a Bill, which he proposed to prefact, he believed, was, that the deficiencies sent to their lordships tomorrow se'n. were local, and fully compensated by the night ; and therefore moved, that the abundance of other parts of the kingdom. lords be summoned for that day.-OrThe evil, he conceived, was one that would dered. naturally remedy itself, unless this effect should be counteracted by the activity of TOLERATION.] Earl Stanhope also obmagistrates, or the government.
served, that he wished to call their lordThe Chancellor of the Exchequer said, the ships' attention to another very important subject was of the highest importance, and subject. With respect to persons holding if there was really a prospect of scarcity certain religious tenets, there were two in Ireland, it deserved their immediate opinions, the one that they should be adconsideration. He hoped the House mitted to hold civil offices, and the other would keep in mind, that the information that they should be disqualified from holdthey were possessed of was at present very ing offices; but both parties were agreed defective. It appeared that in many parts in the justice of toleration. Upon this there was great abundance, and the mis. latter point, however, in consequence of chief chiefly arose from the difficulty of some recent circumstances, many Protestransporting provisions from one part to tant Dissenters, and even some members of another. The House would therefore be the established Church, were liable to cautious how they stopt the exportation much oppression, to relieve them from of provisions from Ireland to England. which, he had also prepared a Bill, but As to the stoppage of the distilleries in thought it better not to name a day for
presenting it until after the discussion on and that, in the present depressed state of the claims of his Majesty's Roman Catho- the manufactures and commerce of that lic subjects in Ireland.
part of the United Kingdom, every mea.
sure of assistance that the House can afford EAST INDIA COMPANY'S CHARTER.) ought, in the Petitioners' humble appreThe Earl of Liverpool presented a peti- hension, to be manifested and exerted; tion from the magistrates and council of and they rely, with confidence, that no Paisley, praying for the opening of the considerations of a partial nature will be East India trade, which was ordered to lie permitted to sacrifice and sel aside their on the table.
most serious and important interests; and The Earl of Lauderdale gave notice of a that, in order to render such assistance ef. motion for to-morrow, for the Correspond- fectual, it is the Petitioners' firm opinion ence between the Directors of the East that it is necessary and expedient to disIndia Company and government respect continue the commercial monopoly of the ing the renewal of the Charter, and also East India Company, on the expiration of for certain papers respecting the transfer their existing Charter, as thereby new and of the troops of the East India Company extensive markets will be opened for reto government in 1794.
ception of British manufactures, which
will render this country more independent BANK OF ENGLAND.] The Earl of Lau- of all commercial relations with the contiderdale, after adverting to the Bill now in nent of Europe, and contribute to the inprogress in the House of Commons, rela- crease of the financial resources of the emtive to Bank notes, also gave notice of his pire; and that the present monopoly of intention to move for information which the East India Company affords renewed he considered of the utmost importance evidence of the injurious consequences at. with a view to that Bill, in order to ascer- tendant upon exclusive traffic; the capital tain the profits made by the Bank of Eng of the country, which might be benefiland since 1797, by those measures which cially embarked in trade to the East, is had brought distress on the rest of the locked up, and thousands, who find no em. country. His object was to have an ac- ployment under the present narrowed count of the price of Bank Stock in 1797, system, might be actively engaged in a and the average price in every
free and unfettered commerce: the exist. since; the increase of dividends to the ing monopoly too is attended with this proprietors of Bank Stock during the same singular and unaccountable peculiarity, period; and the amount of bonusses grant that privileges are conceded to, and lucraed to the same proprietors, during the same tively enjoyed by, neutral nations, which period. He believed it would be found, are absolutely denied to, and rigorously that the Bank of England had derived an withheld from, the merchants of the Bri. additional profit of 15 or 16 millions by tish empire ; and that the example affordthese measures, by the operation of wbiched by the citizens of the United States of the rest of the country had been so much America must remove any doubt which distressed.
can be entertained regarding the compe
tency of British individuals to carry on an HOUSE OF COMMONS.
extensive commerce to the East Indies,
China, and the other countries compreWednesday, April 8.
hended in the Charter of the East India PetitiONS PROM PAISLEY, SWANSEA AND Company; and that every port of the BIRMINGHAM RESPECTING The RenewAL OF United Kingdom ought to be allowed the THE East INDIA COMPANY's Charter.) advantages of foreign trade; and that it -A Petition of the manufacturers merchants would be unjust to confine in future the traders and other inhabitants of the town commerce of the East to the port of Lonof Paisley, was presented and read; set- don; and praying the House to adopt ting forth,
measures for the abolition of the commer« That, as the Charter of the East India cial monopoly of the East India Company, Company will expire in the course of two at the expiration of their present Charter.' years, the Petitioners most respectfully presume to express their sentiments on a A Petition of the merchants, manufacsubject peculiarly interesting to that po- turers, and other inhabitants of the town : pulous and manufacturing district of the and neighbourhood of Swansea, was also country, and to the nation in general; presented and read; setting forth,
“ That the Petitioners are sensibly im- them and for themselves every measure pressed with the conviction that extensive of assistance that the House can give ; and perpetual monopolies, such as have and that, as an efficient measure of this been for a long time enjoyed by the East nature, the Petitioners are of opinion, that India Company, are unjust in their princi- it is expedient to discontinue the commerples, and mischievous in their effects; and cial monopoly of the East India Company that the Petitioners feel, at this time, when at the expiration of their present charter; they are nearly precluded from any trade and the Petitioners firmly believe that, by with the continent of Europe, thai it be the abolition of the East India monopoly, comes essentially necessary that the mer new and extensive markets will necessachants and manufacturers of this kingdom rily be opened for British manufactures, should look to new sources for a vent for which will render this country more intheir respective commodities; and it ap- dependent of all commercial relations with pears to the Petitioners that no country the continent of Europe than it bas hitherto holds out such an extensive market as In- been, and cannot fail materially to india and the various other regions now shut crease the naval strength and financial to the nation at large by the East India resources of the empire; and that the PeCharter, although foreign nations, in ami- titioners are of opinion that this abolition ty with Great Britain, are permitted to is not more called for by the distresses of trade with them; and that, by throwing the merchants and manufacturers of the open the trade of those countries, now United Kingdom than it is by justice and monopolized by the East India Company, reason, and the general interest of the the Petitioners hope and expect they may whole body of the British people; and be able essentially to increase the manu- that the Petitioners forbear to enlarge facture of copper, which, for a long time upon the decrease of the trade of the East past, has been the great source of the India Company, notwithstanding the prosperity of the town of Swansea and its great increase of their territorial possesneighbourhood; and that the Petitioners sions; they forbear also to enlarge upon look up, with confidence, to the House, as the increase which has taken place in the their representatives and natural protec- trade carried on by foreign individuals, tors; and they indulge a most sanguine who have engrossed into their hands so hope that the House will not suffer their great a proportion of the whole commerce serious and weighty interests to be sacri- of the East, knowing, as the Petitioners do, ficed to any partial considerations, but that all these facts are before the House, will adopt the necessary measures for the and not doubting that they will give to total abolition of the commercial monopoly them that deliberate consideration which of the East India Company at the expira- their great importance demands; and that tion of their present Charter.”
the Petitioners look up, with confidence,
to the House, as their representatives and An Address and Petition of the mer natural protectors; and they do indulge a chants, manufacturers, and other inhabi- most confident hope, that the House will not tants of the town of Birmingham, was also suffer their serious and weighty interests presented and read; setting forth, to be sacrificed to any partial considera
“ That the Petitioners contemplate, with tions; and praying, that the House will deep concern, the present state of the ma- adopt the necessary measures for the total nufactures and commerce of the United abolition of the commercial monopoly of Kingdom, which, whilst it grievously af- the East India Company at the expiration flicts the merchants and manufacturers, of their present Charter; but in the event threatens to spread general discontent of the House seeing reasons to continue, throughout the country, and that, whilst in some degree, a commercial - monopoly the Petitioners are determined to bear to the East India Company, the Petitioners every burthen, and to make every sacri- do then most earnestly implore that they fice, rather than compromise the security will not suffer it to deprive British subjects or honour of their country, yet they feel of any privileges which are allowed to it is their duty to inform the House of the neutral nations, and that the Charter may distressed situation of the great body of be made subject to such modifications and the labouring mechanics, particularly in conditions as may best promote the comthat important manufacturing district of merce and manufactures of the United which the town of Birmingham may be Kingdom, leaving open to the capital the considered the centre, and to claim for enterprize and the industry of British mer
chants, all the islands of the Indian ocean, and other places, but he trusted that their together with such parts of the continents good sense would show them that this of Asia and Africa, as to the wisdom of the measure was resorted to, to beat down the House may seem expedient.”
high price of provisions, and to prevent Ordered to lie upon the table.
the distress which arose from that circum
stance. He hoped, therefore, that this CAPTURE OF CIUDAD RODRIGO.] The proposition would be found effectual when Chancellor of the Erchequer said, that since coupled with some others which he would the Vole of Thanks had been passed in that have to propose, but if he should be disapHouse to the officers and men who assisted pointed, it then would be time enough to at the capture of Ciudad Rodrigo, he had adopt some other mode of proceeding. . learned that the names of major-general The time to which he proposed to limit Henry Frederick Campbell, major-general the operation of the Bill which he proposed the hon. Charles William Stewart, major- to bring in, was the 31st of December, general Baron Low, major-general James and it would be modelled in the same Kemmis, major-general William Borth- manner as the Bill for prohibiting distillawick, and colonel William Maundy Har- tion from grain in England, but it would vey, brigadier-general in the Portuguese vest in the Lord Lieutenant a power to service, were omitted in the said motion; permit the exportation of grain after the he therefore moved the like thanks to 1st of October, if he should deem it exthem; which was agreed to.
pedient, or to continue the provisions of
ihe Bill for 40 days after the opening of EXPORTATION OF Irish Spirits.] The the next session of parliament. It was House having gone into a committee of the also his purpose that the measure should whole House, to consider of the Exporta commence from this day, as otherwise large tion of Spirits from Ireland,
quantities of corn might be sent out of Mr. Wellesley Pole said, that he rose for the country before the Bill could take ef. the purpose of moving a Resolution to fect, but care would be taken to prevent prevent the exportation of spirits made any injury being sustained by any indivi. from 'grain in Ireland, for a time to be dual, as he proposed to empower the com. limited. The object of the Resolution missioners of the revenue in Ireland to was to prevent the exportation of Irish hear any case and grant such redress as made spirits to foreign markets, in conse. they might think just. He concluded by quence of the high price of provisions in moving, “That it is expedient to suspend, Ireland at the present period. In con- from and after the sth day of April 1812, sidering the situation of that country, for a time to be limited, the exportation there were but four measures which sug- from Ireland to parts beyond the seas, spigested themselves for adoption. The first rits made or distilled in that part of ihe was, to prevent the intercourse between United Kingdom from corn or grain.” this country and Ireland; the second, to Mr. Stewart said, that the object in view stop the distillation from grain in Ireland; would, in his opinion, be better promoted, the third, to stop the export of grain from by the stoppage of distillation from grain Ireland for the supply of our armies; and altogether, and it would, besides, mark the the fourth was that, which he felt it his attention of the Irish government to the duty to recommend to the committee, as wants of the people. there were many objections to each of the Mr. Curwen thought it surprising that others, which he was persuaded, many government did not go into a general con
a gentlemen would concur in thinking suffi- sideration of the resources of the country cient to prevent their being resorted to. with respect to its supplies of corn, after The measure now submitted to the com- the quantity that was annually imported, mittee was unquestionably a smaller evil He thought that a rise on the price of than any other, and was nothing more than grain would insure a constant supply, and stopping the exuberant grain of the coun- iwo bushels more on the acre through the try from being converted into spirits, in country would give an abundance. Miorder to be sent abroad-he was aware, at nisters should have a more accurate view the same time, that it would create a con- of the whole agriculture of the country, siderable disappointment to many merito- and would by that means have it in their rious persons in Ireland-he meant those power to adopt some general measure indistillers, who. by their exertions, had stead of those temporary expedients now established a beneficial trade to Portugal resorted to. He wished to God, for the