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a free trade with every part of the British sum to call for in the present times for the empire; and that the Petitioners consider lodging of a single regiment of horse. He the monopoly of the East-India Company could not well conceive a more profligate to be highly impolitic, and excessively in waste of the public money. At Liverpool jurious to the interests of the United King- it was also proposed to build a barrack for dom; and the Petitioners humbly repre- | 1,000 men, at the estimated expence of sent to the House, that the trade of the 82,000l. A new stable at Brighton was to town of Wolverhampton bas been gra- cost 26,0001. ; and a new barrack at Brisdually declining for some time past, and is tol for 800 men, was estimated at 60,0001. now so greatly diminished, that numbers These were very large items, and required of manufacturers are thrown out of em. explanation.' ployment, and their families reduced to Mr. Wharton said, it was true that many the utmost distress; and praying the new barracks had been proposed to be House to promote the opening of new built in 1811; but as it was not now inchannels for the exportation of British tended to build them, the estimated exmanufactures, and especially to resist any pence of course was not stated in the preattempt that may be made by the Easi. sent accounts. The estimates were only India Company for a renewal of their of those buildings now in progress, and commercial monopoly."

which were intended to be completed. And the said Petitions were ordered to The expence of buildings was in one schelie upon the table.

dule, and that of repairs and alterations

would be found in another. The regiment PAPERS RELATING TO CAPTAIN King.] of Life Guards had hitherto kept their The adjourned debate on the motion for horses in rented barracks in King-street, Papers respecting the case of captain King but the term was expired, and if they was resumed. After a few words from were to be kept in barracks at all, it was lord Folkestone and the Chancellor of the necessary that they should be built.

At Exchequer, the motion was agreed to. Brighton the stables formerly used by the The Chancellor of the Exchequer and sir troops were in a most dilapidated state, Home Popham then severally moved for and it was necessary, if troops were to be further papers as necessary to the full elu- kept there at all, that new stables should cidation of the case, which were all be built. The necessity of building the agreed to.

barracks in the neighbourhood of Bristol

arose from the circumstance of there BARRACK Estimates.) In the Commit- being a considerable depot of French pritee of Supply, Mr. Wharton moved, That soners in the neighbourhood, amounting to a sum not exceeding 554,4411. be granted eight or ten thousand men. If the neces. for the expences of the Barrack Departo sity for the buildings was admitted, he ment for the current year.

would say that greater economy or more Mr. Fremantle saw many things in those diligent superintendence could not be used Estimates, which appeared to him to re- with respect to the expence.

Those who quire a great deal of explanation. New were accustomed to barrack estimates for buildings which would bring on a very many years, would perceive that the preconsiderable expence, appeared in one sent was not higher than was usual, and, part of the accounts to be ordered by the in point of fact, the contract was generally Commander-io-Chief, and in another part much within the original estimate. of them, he was at a loss to know whether Mr. Fremantle did not mean to throw the whole of this expence was now to be the least imputation on the Barrack Board, submitted to parliament. The expence

of who were obliged to obey the directions the Estimates for building barracks, ap- of government. The sums, however, did peared to be regularly increasing without appear to him to be very exorbitant. any apparent cause. After adverting to Mr. Huskisson said, that notwithstanding the expences of the new buildings at Bex- the explanation which had been given, he hill, he made several observations on the could not feel satisfied. He remembered, estimate of the new barrack projected to that when he was at the Treasury, it bad be built in what was called the Regent's been proposed to build a magnificent bar. Park. This barrack, which was only in rack at Islington, and the ground was ac. tended for the second regiment of Life tually marked out for it. Now, although Guards, was to cost 138,000l. Now it did this was strongly recommended by mili. appear to him that it was an enormous tary authorities, the Treasury thought the


expence too great, and that it might be it would be better to let them go altogepostponed till some other time. If they ther unpunished. had adopted all the plans submitted to Mr. Wharton observed, that barracks them by the Military Board, an expence for the Life Guards must be erected someof two or three millions would have been where, if they were to be in barracks at incurred in building new barracks. In all, for they could not remain where they the present times, however, it appeared now were. The estimates, he admitted, to him, that every expence should be post. were large; but he apprehended they poned which was not absolutely neces- would not be thought disproportionate to sary; and that the same considerations the intended purposes (wbich were obviwhich made the Treasury reject many of ously very comprehensive) if they were those plans formerly, ought now to act compared with those of any preceding with as much force as ever. If the House year in the same department. He repeatwere to calculate the expence of this new ed, bowever, that he had every reason to barrack, they would find that it was near believe that the prices contracted for 450l. for every horse. It appeared to would fall considerably within the estihim that this was most extravagantly be- mates. There was great inconvenience yond any thing that really could be ne- atlached to the present system of the barcessary. It was said, to be sure, that the racks in King-street, which contained acmen were also to be lodged there, but commodation for the borses only, wbile considering the manner in which men of the men were scattered over the whole of their class in life were usually lodged, this vast metropolis. With regard to the this sum appeared enormous, amounting, 25,0001. for the commissioners who were according to the interest generally given auditing general Delancey's accounts, he for money laid out in building, to 107. per could assure the House that they had annum for the lodging of each trooper saved the public more than double that and his horse. He was afraid that in this new building there would be some attempt The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that at splendour and awkward magnificence, there was a real necessity for erecting new and that the building would be something barracks for the Life Guards. Governbetween a palace and a stable. At Liver ment had been actually ejected from the pool he thought that it was unnecessary possession of the present ones, and was to go to such great expence, as many obliged to make a new agreement with warehouses might be now got on easy the lessor, paying an annual addition of terms, which would make very good tem- 9501. for the convenience of remaining in porary barracks. He thought that every them two or three years longer, while expence that could be spared ought in others were built. The system of having the present tiines to be spared, and that the men diffused over the metropolis, even if the government were determined away from their horses and accoutrethat the expences should amount to an ments, he thought a very reprehensible hundred millions a year, there were other one. What might have been the conseways of spending the money which would quences, had such a system been in pracbe of more use in the prosecution of the tice during the late disturbances ? Might present war. He thought there must be not the men have been intercepted by ihe reasons fully as strong for postponing those mob, from reaching their stables, and the buildings now, as existed at the time when peace of the capital have been most serihe was in the Treasury, and he did not ously endangered? The hon. gentleman imagine there was any greater facility imagined, that it would be a work of bad of borrowing money now, than there taste, but he could assure him, that he was then.

was not conscious of any unnecessary exMr. Parnell thought the House ought pence. With respect to the barracks at to pause before it came to a vote out of Bristol, it would be hard to ascertain what all proportion to the objects specified. sort of building it should be which was to He wished to call their attention to one last during the war, if that was a principle item, namely, that of 25,0001. paid to the of limitation which the House would be incommissioners for anditing general Delan- clined to adopt. If a barrack was to be built cey's accounts, during the five years that there, considering the extent and populathey had been employed upon them. I tion of the town, considering also the acthe public was to pay that yearly for the commodation it would afford to the milidetection of official defaulters, be thought tary passing to and from Ireland, he


thought it should not be built upon any of the right hon. gentleman, would it be parsimonious scale. The money ihat was necessary for us to look forward to the ihrown away under this denomination of prospect of overawing them? Was this a expenditure, was chiefly applied to the principle to be maintained? Did any one purchase of temporary barracks, which ever hear a minister coolly assert it? But were now in want of repair. As to Liver the right hon. gentleman disapproved of pool, it was considered to be a great in the idea of applying any of the warehouses convenience ihat there should be no bar- of Liverpool to the purpose of accommorack there ; and with regard to the expe. dating the military. He who had made dient of hiring the warehouses for that the loom useless, and the warehouse idle, purpose, he hardly thought that govern- who had spread starvation and discontent, ment would be justified in taking advan. had disapproved of that which to bim aptage, as it were, of the temporary suspen-peared a natural course of proceedingsion of trade in that place.

that of filling the warehouses with soldiers Mr. Whitbread said, that the right for the purpose of controuling the people hon. gentleman appeared to him to have under ihe inflictions he had brought on adopted erroneous views upon the subject, them and on the country. But it had when he thought it of such little conse- been said, that there were French prisoners quence to separate the soldiers from at Bristol, He would answer, so there the people, as to be surprised at any ob. har for the last twenty years. But even jection to a grant for that purpose The if ihe right hon. gentleman had been enright hon. gentleman had not argued that deavouring to make the expence come up general question ; the time was gone by; to an hundred millions, did he think, or but he would declare it as his sentiment, could he think, that for three years more that he was extremely jealous, and he was the country could go on as it was now sure the country at large was jealous of going? If things proceeded as they were the separating system. It had been said, now proceeding, if expences continued to that great advantage was likely to be de. accumulate, and means to diminish, they rived from the labours of the Commis: must look for relief to a peace with the sioners appointed to audit General De enemy, a peace which his measures had lancey's accounts. Perhaps at the end of rendered unavoidable. In the transactions four or five years, if ihe country should of past years he saw many great and gloexist so long under such financiers, that rious opportunities of ending this war nege advantage would greatly increase with the lected and lost, while, at present, the syspractices that rendered it necessary. But tem of the right hon. gentleman was calwhence did the advantage arise? What culated to produce the necessity of peace was the necessity under which this boasted by submission. But why was it necessary saving was made? The want of care in that the horse and the soldier should be the controuling power. The negligence more together now than at any other time? and mismanagement of those who, by pro. Did any reason exist now, that did not per application, ought 10 have prevented exist before, why the soldier and the gethe occurrence of evils instead of leaving neral population of the country should be us to be obliged to the commissioners for kept apart, or why barracks, which he had the ascertainment of their extent. It was always regarded in conformity with the expected that if the commissioners pro- opinions of the most constitutional authoceeded, many other defalcations would rities, as fortresses for controuling the kingappear. To him this was not consoling. dom, should be multiplied and enlarged? An hon. gentieman had stated once, that As to the policy of it, merely with regard the Chancellor of the Exchequer was the to the soldier, he understood that when victim of the departments, and the public the men were on service, those who came were given to understand that the hon. from regular barracks, were not so healthgentleman had left the Treasury through ful as others, so that even military purposes disgust at the want of a sufficient controvl. were not likely to be served by it. One of But did the right hon. the Chancellor of the most lavish expences under this head the Exchequer think, that he wanted mili- was incurred by the purchase of old houses tary controul over the people of this at Clifton, in a ruined state, without a country? Even at the end of the war, window; but now we were going back to which the right hon. gentleman seemed Bristol again, to guard the French prito think would last long, and which he soners. Would to God that they were all was sure would last as long as the career out of this country, whether we continue (VOL. XXII.)


at war or not! The hon. gentleman con- tained upon honourable terms, there was, cluded, with repeating his determination to according to the hon gentleman's own vote against the resolution.

feelings, and those of the country, but one The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, that alternative. Why then should the hon. the hon. gentleman must be positive in- gentleman give the sanction of his audeed upon the subject, and confirmed in thority to the opinion, that the war could the opinion he had formed, when he not be conducted, and that we were only thought it right not only to censure the to look for consolation to the event of the conduct of his Majesty's government, but enemy granting us peace? Nothing could to vote against the Resolutions before the be more improper, nothing more unjust, Committee.

nothing more dangerous to the security of Mr Whitbread, in explanation, stated, the country, or more calculated to inflame that his objection went only to the grant the minds of the people under the present for building barracks.

high price of provisions, than flinging ous The Chancellor of the Erchequer pro- opinions of this sort to the disadvantage of ceeded to observe, that to refuse it with- the great contest in which we were enout knowing whether the soldiers could be gaged. He would maintain, and he otherwise accommodated, might be pro- thought the hon. gentleman might have ductive of much inconvenience. He sup- been included amongst the number of posed, however, that by the debating those who would insist upon the same strain which the lion. gentleman had doctrine, that if we could not obtain peace thought proper to adopt, and the topics to upon honourable terms, we must maintain which he had resorted, he expected to do the war at all hazards, and under all cirmuch towards tranquillizing the country. cumstances, and to the last extremity. When he brought forward his arguments A3 to what had been said of his intention attributing the starvation he described to to keep the people down by a military the conduct of government, did he really force, when he bad driven them to mad. think there was any thing in their man- ness by his policy, he would ask where ner of conducting the war against France, was the proof? In that candour of mind, which operated to produce the scarcity at in which he hoped the hon. gentleman Liverpool ? Did he think there was any was not deficient, he might have acknow. thing in it to call down the vengeance of ledged, for he must have known, that it • Providence on our heads, and provoke was at least a matter of serious doubt, whehim to deny the harvest to our hopes? If ther all the difficulties experienced in our not, how could the hon. gentleman shut trade, would not have been aggravated, if his eyes to what every man could see but they were not met by the Orders in Counhimself, and resort to those imputations, cil. In two years after the adoption of which no man who was acquainted with those Orders, this fact was demonstrated the subject, could hesitate to reject? He by an increase of our trade. Yet the hon. would own that in some inflammatory gentleman went on with his old proof, or publications he had met with some topics rather with his old statement, in defiance to which the hon. gentleman had alluded; of this striking fact, and insisted that our but he did not expect that any member sufferings were not owing to the Decrees could be found who would come down to of the enemy, but to our own Orders in that House for the purpose of making such Council. If this was a logic, he was sure statements. The hon. gentleman had it was not a logic which the hon. gentlespoken of golden opportunities for making man would apply to any other subject; peace, which ministers had neglected: this confusion of cause and effect, this anbut he did not say, he could not say whe- ticipation of consequence over the means ther one of those opportunities presented that produced it, could, in no other than a itself now; and if no such opportunity political case, have warped the clear mind existed, where was the policy in asserting, of the hon. gentleman. But if he was that there was no salvation for the country right in supposing that the effects which but in peace? It would be impossible for preceded the Decrees were not to be as. him to say so much against the peace he cribed to it, how was it fair to represent recommended, as by saying that we were them as the act of our own government? unable to go on with the war. The bon. Was this his wisdom, was this his policy, gentleman had always said that he would was this his patriotism? The reasoning of not accept of peace but upon honourable the hon. gentleman would go to turn all terms. if, then, peace could not be ob- the resentment not against the enemy, but against the government; and that too, at | Chair! Chair! resounded through the a time when we were engaged in war with House; at length Mr. Ponsonby obtained an enemy who, if the hon. gentleman was a hearing)-I call the right hon. gentlenot aware, intended our destruction, he man himself to order, and on this ground, must be ignorant of what was known to that he having risen to call my hon. friend every body else. From this country he to order, did not confine himself to that had met with his most effectual check in point, but thought proper to advert to the pursuit of his insatiable ambition, and other topics, thereby transgressing the rein bis progress to universal empire and gulations of the House. I speak this universal tyranny, his certain disappoint- before bigh authority, who will contradict ment. If the hon. gentleman did not see me if I should be incorrect. this, and he trusted in God that he did Mr. Lushington, the chairman, then denot, when he called upon the country not clared his opinion to be, that Mr. Whitto look to Buonaparte and to France, but bread had been out of order. to its own government, with indignation, Mr. Whitbread got up again, and conand ascribed the inflictions of Providence fessed he had risen in some heat, and unto them alone; if he did not see this, but consciously at the time had exceeded the could make such statements with a con- limits of debate. He would however say, viction that he was doing right, he was that if he was described as having told the sure that such sentiments would meet with people that they were to regard the golittle sympathy and little support.—(Loud vernment rather than Buonaparté as their and continued cheers.)

enemy, it was a gross misrepresentation. Mr. Whitbread rose, evidently in great Unfortunately it was too much a practice agitation, and began by declaring that if to identify the government with the miit was not in that House, he would ask the nister, and convert the fair claims of the warmest friend or the loudest cheerer of former to support and attachment, into a the right hon. gentleman, whether the blind approbation of the measures of the whole of his speech was not a gross mis- latter. Whatever might be the construcrepresentation? The right hon. gentleman tion put upon his words; he was deterwas mistaken if he supposed that he had mined ever to speak out in the House of obtained a victory over him. No; it was | Commons, to conceal no part of the truth, a victory over his own invention. The and to lend no helping hand to the deluHouse of Commons was a fine place—the sion, any more than to the ruin of the constitution of England was a great thing-people. He knew nothing more likely 10 every thing was to be admired, respected, prove destructive to the safety and greatand supported, when an adventurer from ness of the people than the prevalence of the bar was raised by bis talent for de a different doctrine. He did not confound bate to a great situation, but a great situa- the visitations of Providence, with the detion which nobody but himself could have crees of France, or the measures of the accepted under such circumstances. right hon. gentleman. But he knew that

The Chancellor of the Exchequer here thousands of manufacturers were now out signified his dissent from the statement of employment, and that tens of thousands that nobody would have accepted the were now working at reduced wages, situation but himself.

which scarcely sufficed to procure them Mr. Whitbread repeated the statement, subsistence. Was he, when he declared maintained the truth of it, and added, this, telling the hungry man that he bad " If you doubt me, I refer you for in- no bread ? He knew that an unreformed formation to a Letter signed Spencer Per- House of Commons had approved of all ceval.” (Loud cries of Order from all the proceedings of the right hon. gentleparts of the House, followed this expres- man, and of all his Orders in Council

, but sion, and Mr. Whitbread attempted for he knew too, that the people and the mere some time in vain to be heard).

chants out of the House, were, in every Mr. Yorke rose to order. The hon. gen. part of the kingdom, of very different opitleman had just made one of the most out. nions. Was not this table already covered rageous personal attacks on his right hon. with petitions, that daily multiplied; and friend, which had ever been heard in that had he indeed abandoned House. With respect to the justice or triotism, when he stated this? As to what propriety of the attack thus made, he he had said with respect to peace, how

Mr. Ponsonby rose to order--(Here the was it possible for him to speak positively disorder became general, and cries of as to the fitness of the present moment,

all his pa

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