Mr. CLINE. Did he ever pay you more than $5 at any one time? Mr. CLINE. Don't you remember at one time he paid you $10? Mr. CLINE. He might have done so? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. And what did he give you this for? Mr. NEAL. I used to wait on him. Mr. CLINE. What did you do? Mr. NEAL. I used to wait on him, to bring Members out to him, and one time I got a couple of directories-Congressional Directories for him. Mr. CLINE. Don't you know Mr. Emery never came to the House there and asked for Members? Mr. NEAL. He never asked for no Members. Mr. CLINE. Then, you did not get any Members for him, did you? Mr. NEAL. No. Mr. CLINE. What did you do for him that you got as high as $10? Mr. NEAL. Oh, anything extraordinary. I would get him room in the gallery and get Mrs. Emery a gallery seat, you know. Mr. CLINE. You took them in the gallery? Mr. NEAL. I always waited on him; yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. How often did he come? Mr. NEAL. He never come very often. Mr. CLINE. Wouldn't you think that $10 was a pretty large tip for taking a man in the gallery? Mr. NEAL. Oh, no. I've gotten larger tips than that. Mr. CLINE. Have you? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. Who from? Mr. NEAL. A long time ago, though. I have gotten tips from a nickel up to $50 since I have been here. Mr. CLINE. Up to $50? Mr. NEAL. Col. John W. Gates gave me $50 after staying here three weeks for waiting on him. Mr. CLINE. John W. Gates, you know, probably has a different ability to pay you than our friend Mr. Emery over here. I am not discounting Mr. Emery's ability to pay, either, but I am assuming Mr. Gates had a little more ready cash than Mr. Emery. You think $10 is as large a tip as you ever got out of Mr. Emery at one time? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. FERRIS. Neal, you understand you have been sworn here to tell the truth? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. FERRIS. You understand that and you know it would be wrong not to tell the truth? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. FERRIS. Are you sure that you and Harry and McMichael were not all on the pay roll? Mr. NEAL. I don't know about the other two. I know I wasn't, or if I was I didn't know anything about it. Mr. FERRIS. Are you sure, Neal, that when you met McMichael as he came out on the Democratic side there, of the Democratic cloak room, you would not ask him, "Have you seen the colonel yet,” expecting to get your salary? Did you ever have that conversation with him? Mr. NEAL. Yes. Mr. FERRIS. Did you ask him about money? Mr. NEAL. I saw him once and he said, "I got mine," and I said, "Where did he go?" He said, "I got mine." Mr. FERRIS. And you told him you were after him to get yours, too? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. FERRIS. But you didn't get yours? Mr. NEAL. I didn't get it then. Mr. FERRIS. You did know McMichael was getting some money from the colonel. Mr. NEAL. I judged so; he never told me. Mr. FERRIS. Didn't he tell you in that conversation you just related there? Mr. NEAL. He said he got his, and he didn't know where he was. He said, "I got mine," and I said, "Where is he?" and he said he didn't know. Mr. FERRIS. You were looking for him to get your tip? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. FERRIS. As a matter of fact, did you finally see him and get your tip? Mr. NEAL. No; not that time. Mr. FERRIS. Did you see him the next week? Mr. NEAL. I saw him the next week. Mr. FERRIS. And you got your tip all right then? Mr. NEAL. I think I got it from him. Mr. FERRIS. You are sure, Neal, you never got more than two or three dollars at a time? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir; that I got at a time. Mr. FERRIS. You are sure Mr. Mulhall never gave you as much as $5 or $6 at any one time? Mr. NEAL. Not to my knowledge. Mr. FERRIS. You are sure about that, are you? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. STAFFORD. Can you recall when you first received any tips or any pay from Mr. Mulhall? Mr. NEAL. I think in 1909, sir; I am not sure on that. Mr. STAFFORD. And then you would receive them regularly each week, or would you be paid occasionally? Mr. NEAL. Oh, just sometimes when he come down. Sometimes he would and sometimes he wouldn't. Mr. STAFFORD. Then you wouldn't have any regular payment by the week from Mr. Mulhall of any stated amount or certain amount? Mr. NEAL. No, sir. Mr. STAFFORD. It would depend, as I understand from your tes timony, as to whether you performed any favors for him or showed him any courtesies? Mr. NEAL. Only when I would go in to bring Members out; that is all. Mr. STAFFORD. Only when you did some service for him you would receive some return? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. STAFFORD. It has been testified here that Mr. Emery gave Mr. Mulhall $50 just prior to his leaving for Europe in 1910, and Mr. Mulhall was directed to pay $25 to you and $25 to Mr. Parker. Do you recall positively that you never received that? Mr. NEAL. I never did, sir. Mr. STAFFORD. You are positive about that? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir; I never heard of it until it came out before the committee. Mr. STAFFORD. Have you seen Mr. Emery since his return from Europe? Mr. NEAL. Mr. Emery; yes. Mr. STAFFORD. Have you spoken to him? Mr. NEAL. No. I talked to him, but have never spoken to him about it. Mr. STAFFORD. If you had received $25 from Mr. Mulhall, upon your next seeing Mr. Emery would you have said anything to him about it? Mr. NEAL. No; I would not, without he asked me about it; but I never got it; I never seen it. Mr. STAFFORD. Had you received such a large tip, don't you think you would have thanked him for his courtesy? Mr. NEAL. I would have been very apt to; sure. Mr. STAFFORD. But you never spoke to Mr. Emery about it? Mr. NEAL. No, sir. Mr. STAFFORD. That is all. Mr. WILLIS. To, perhaps, refresh your memory and help you think about it, let me read this letter Mr. Stafford has just referred to. This is a letter Mr. Emery wrote to Mr. Mulhall, and here is what he said: I left Washington on a hurried western trip that took me as far west as Chicago and St. Paul, and did not get back into Washington until the 7th. I found neither Neal nor Harry at the Capitol, but I know you will be able to locate them, so inclose herewith my check for $50, from which you can give them $25 each. Mr. NEAL. No, sir. Mr. WILLIS. You would have known that, if he had given you $25? Mr. WILLIS. Twenty-five dollar tips are not coming around like they did? Mr. NEAL. It has been a good while. Mr. WILLIS. Here is another item: Paid to Speaker's messenger for services rendered at request of Mr. Emery, $10. Did Mr. Mulhall ever pay you as much as $10 at any one time? Mr. NEAL. Not to my knowledge; no, sir. Mr. WILLIS. Are you sure about that? Mr. NEAL. Pretty sure; yes, sir. Mr. EMERY. Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question? The CHAIRMAN. Yes; you may, Mr. Emery. Mr. EMERY. Neal, I will ask you if you recollect seating several ladies at my request, several times, in the Speaker's gallery through arrangements with Mr. Busby? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. EMERY. During the time when the fight over the rules was imminent? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir; that is right; yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You have no idea how much you got all told, have you, from these men? Mr. NEAL. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Mulhall and Mr. Emery? Mr. NEAL. No, sir; I know I got it in dribs, a little bit at a time. I don't know how much altogether it was. The CHAIRMAN. You could not approximate it? Mr. NEAL. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You do not keep any account of those things? Mr. NEAL. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. I will ask you, was it a pretty frequent matter for you to get tips here? Mr. NEAL. It used to be back years ago, but not very many now, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Were there any organizations then, or anything similar to this, that would give you tips? Mr. NEAL. No, sir; not that I know of: no, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Were tips more liberal under the Republican administration than they have been under the Democratic administration? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. [Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. Well, did the bulk of your tips come from Members or come from outside people? Mr. NEAL. Oh, outsiders. I never got anything from Members, only Christmas times and birthdays; that is all. I never took very much from a Member. I would rather have his vote, you know. The CHAIRMAN. You would rather have his vote? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. I might have to look to this patronage committee, and I would rather have his vote than a tip. The CHAIRMAN. The Members do not have anything to do with that part; the Speaker is the one that does that. Mr. NEAL. I don't know; that might change. [Laughter.] Mr. CLINE. You say you knew Mr. Mulhall was in the employ of the National Association of Manufacturers? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. That is your testimony? Mr. NEAL. I judge he was; yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. When did you find that out? Mr. NEAL. I knew it by his cards. Mr. CLINE. When did he show you his cards? Mr. NEAL. Any time he would send for a Member. Mr. CLINE. Any time he would send for a Member it would show he was an employee-the card? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. Do you remember how the card read? Mr. NEAL. "M. M. Mulhall, National Association of Manufacturers." Mr. CLINE. Did he always present the same kind of card? Mr. CLINE. And you knew Mr. Emery and whom he was representing? Mr. NEAL. I knew Mr. Emery; he used to come in that room. Mr. CLINE. You would not know that simply by his coming into the room? Mr. NEAL. Oh, I think I knew he was an attorney for them. Mr. NEAL. I knew him through a lot of gentlemen. Mr. Watson and lots of gentlemen knew him. Mr. CLINE. How did you find out he was an attorney for the National Association of Manufacturers? Mr. NEAL. I knew he was an attorney; the boys would tell me who he was when he would next come around there. Mr. CLINE. Told you he was Mr. Emery? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. Mr. CLINE. Did not say he was attorney for the National Association of Manufacturers? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir; I think so. Mr. CLINE. How often did that occur? Mr. NEAL. He did not come there very often; only when there was anything extraordinary going on. He was there when there was a change of rules. Mr. CLINE. Mr. Emery was there when they were changing the rules? That was the first time you found out that he was the attorney for the National Association of Manufacturers? Mr. NEAL. I do not know whether that was the first time or not. Mr. CLINE. You did not know it before? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. You mean when the fight was on in 1910? Mr. NEAL. The change in the rules. The CHAIRMAN. When the Norris resolution was up? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. That was a pretty warm time around the Speaker's room? Mr. NEAL. Yes, sir; I think it was pretty hot. Mr. EMERY. When he was there with the ladies, and you took them to the gallery, was he there for any other purpose? Mr. NEAL. I do not know. Mr. Busby told me to show him to the gallery. TESTIMONY OF HARRY PARKER (colored). (The witness was duly sworn by the chairman.) The CHAIRMAN. How old are you, Harry? Mr. PARKER. Thirty-four. The CHAIRMAN. Where do you live? Mr. PARKER. I live here in Washington at the present time. The CHAIRMAN. How long have you lived here? Mr. PARKER. I have been here for quite a number of years. The CHAIRMAN. Where did you come from when you came here? Mr. PARKER. Mount Vernon, Va., Fairfax County. The CHAIRMAN. You are a native of Virginia? Mr. PARKER. Yes, sir: born there. The CHAIRMAN. What do you do? |