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HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

EIGHTY-FIFTH CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

ON

H. R. 72

A BILL TO AMEND SECTION 21 OF THE WORLD WAR VETERANS ACT, 1924, TO PROVIDE FOR THE DISPOSITION OF CERTAIN BENEFITS WHICH ARE UNPAID AT THE

DEATH OF THE INTENDED BENEFICIARY

JULY 25 AND 30, 1957

Printed for the use of the Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Pages of all hearings are numbered cumulatively to permit a
comprehensive index at the end of the Congress. Page numbers
lower than those in this hearing refer to other legislation.

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OLIN E. TEAGUE, Texas, Chairman
W. J. BRYAN DORN, South Carolina

EDITH NOURSE ROGERS, Massachusetts
ELIZABETH KEE, West Virginia

BERNARD W. (PAT) KEARNEY, New York
GEORGE S. LONG, Louisiana

WILLIAM H. AYRES, Ohio
FRANK W. BOYKIN, Alabama

E. ROSS ADAIR, Indiana
WAYNE N. ASPINALL, Colorado

PAUL A. FINO, New York
GEORGE A. SHUFORD, North Carolina PHIL WEAVER, Nebraska
GEORGE H. CHRISTOPHER, Missouri JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania
CHARLES C. DIGGS, JR., Michigan

FLORENCE P. DWYER, New Jersey
B, F. SISK, California

H. ALLEN SMITH, California
JAMES A. HALEY, Florida

CHARLES M. TEAGUE, California
WALTER S. BARING, Nevada
BASIL L. WHITENER, North Carolina

OLIVER E. MEADOWS, Staff Director

SUBCOMMITTEES

ADMINISTRATION

ELIZABETH KEE, West Virginia, Chairman
CHARLES C. DIGGS, JR., Michigan

E. ROSS ADAIR, Indiana
JAMES A. HALEY, Florida

JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania

COMPENSATION AND PENSION

W. J. BRYAN DORN, South Carolina, Chairman
GEORGE H. CHRISTOPHER, Missouri PAUL A. FINO, New York
CHARLES C. DIGGS, JR., Michigan

CHARLES M. TEAGUE, California

EDUCATION AND TRAINING

OLIN E. TEAGUE, Texas, Chairman
W. J. BRYAN DORN, South Carolina

E. ROSS ADAIR, Indiana
BASIL L. WHITENER, North Carolina FLORENCE P. DWYER, New Jersey

HOSPITALS

GEORGE S. LONG, Louisiana, Chairman
ELIZABETH KEE, West Virginia

BERNARD W. (PAT) KEARNEY, New York
WAYNE N. ASPINALL, Colorado

WILLIAM H. AYRES, Ohio
GEORGE A, SHUFORD, North Carolina PHIL WEAVER, Nebraska
GEORGE H. CHRISTOPHER, Missouri JOHN P. SAYLOR, Pennsylvania
B. F. SISK, California

H. ALLEN SMITH, California
JAMES A. HALEY, Florida

HOUSING

GEORGE A. SHUFORD, North Carolina, Chairman
B. F. SISK, California

WILLIAM H. AYRES, Ohio
WALTER S. BARING, Nevada

PHIL WEAVER, Nebraska

INSURANCE

WAYNE N. ASPINALL, Colorado, Chairman
WALTER S. BARING, Nevada

H. ALLEN SMITH, California
BASIL L. WHITENER, North Carolina CHARLES M. TEAGUE, California

SPANISH WAR

FRANK W. BOYKIN, Alabama, Chairman
W. J. BRYAN DORN, South Carolina

PAUL A. FINO, New York
GEORGE S. LONG, Louisiana

FLORENCE P. DWYER, New Jersey

II

CONTENTS

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American Legion, excerpt from magazine of...

1775

AMVETS, letter from..

1773

Bland, R. P. (See Veterans' Administration.)

The chairman..-

1717, 1786–1788, 1791,

1793, 1794, 1796–1799, 1801, 1803–1805, 1809, 1811, 1812, 1815,

1816, 1818-1821, 1827, 1829, 1830, 1832, 1835-1839.

Comptroller General, letter from

1823-1825

Counsel.

1821

Court decisions:

Abbott et al. v. Morgenthau, Secretary of Treasury et al.

1742-1746

Frisbie v. United States.-

1739-1742

Lindquist's Estate, In re (District Court of Appeals).

1750-1755

Lindquist's Estate, In re (Supreme Court of California)

1755-1767

Morgan v. United States .

1747-1749

Penny v. Reis.

1735-1738

Powers v. United States of America -

1767-1769

United States v. Hall

1725-1732
United States v. Teller..

1733-1735
Walton et al. v. Cotton.

1723-1725

Daley, T. F. (See Veterans' Administration.)

Disabled American Veterans, letters from..

1773-1775

Dorn, Hon. W. J. Bryan.--

1803

Evins, Hon. Joe L., letter from..

1783-1784

Flynt, Hon. John J.

1786-1791, 1793, 1794

Guardianship State laws, text of:

Alabama

1839-1843

Arizona.

1843-1849

Arkansas.

1849-1856

California.

1856–1865

Colorado,

1865-1869

Connecticut.

1869–1870, 1989

Delaware.

1870-1871

Florida

1871-1876

Georgia

1876-1878

Idaho.

1878-1884

Illinois.

1884-1885

Indiana.

1886–1897

Iowa.

1897-1900

Kansas.

1900–1901, 1989–1994

Kentucky

1901-1905

Louisiana

1905-1910

Maine

1910-1915

Maryland.

1915-1923

Massachusetts

1923

Michigan.

1923–1931

Minnesota.

1931-1932

Mississippi.

1933–1937, 1994

Missouri

1994–2004

Montana

1937-1942

Nebraska.

1942–1947

Nevada.

1947-1949

New Hampshire

1949-1952

New Jersey -

2004-2015

New Mexico.

1953-1962

New York,

1963-1980

North Carolina.

1981-1984

North Dakota.

1984-1989

Ohio.

2016-2022

Oklahoma

2022-2032

Oregon.-

2033

Pennsylvania

2033–2034

Rhode Island.

2034-2039

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Guardianship State laws, text of Continued

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South Carolina..

2039-2061

South Dakota.

2061-2066

Tennessee.

2006-2073

Texas

2073-2078

Utah..

2078–2088

Vermont

2089

Virginia

2089-2094

Washington

2094

West Virginia

2095-2099

Wisconsin

2099-2104

Wyoming

2105-2109

Haley, Hon. James A.

1828
H. R. 72, text of .

1718-1722
Hyde, Hon. De Witt

1794-1797
Keating, Hon. Kenneth B., statement of

1785-1786
Kee, Hon. Elizabeth..

1788
Library of Congress, letter from.

1825-1827
Lipps, Meyer. (See Veterans' Administration.)
Long, Hon. George S.

1787, 1788, 1798, 1802, 1803, 1816, 1817, 1828
Reports from executive departments:
General Accounting Office.

1823-1825

Veterans' Administration.

1821-1823

Roosevelt, Hon. James.

1798-1804
Santangelo, Hon. Alfred E., statement of..

1784
Schuyler, C. E. (See Veterans' Administration.)
Shuford, Hon. George A.

1812,
1813, 1815-1817, 1820, 1829, 1832–1835, 1837, 1838
Smith, Hon. H. Allen.

1790-1793, 1799, 1800, 1809

State homes, text of laws governing operation of -

2110

California..

2111-2141

Colorado.

2142–2152

Connecticut

2152–2155

Idaho.

2155-2157

Illinois

2157-2160

Indiana.

2161-2180

Iowa..

2180-2198

Kansas.

2199-2202

Massachusetts.

2203-2206

Michigan.

2206-2213

Minnesota.

2213-2227

Missouri.

2227-2233

Montana

2233-2239

Nebraska.

2240-2244

New York

2244-2247

North Dakota.

2247-2253

Ohio.

2253-2261

Oklahoma.

2261-2265

Pennsylvania

2265-2271

Rhode Island

2271-2277

South Dakota

2278-2283

Vermont

2283-2285

Washington

2285-2289

Wisconsin.

2289-2294

Wyoming

2294-2297

VA Regulations:
Apportionments (compensation and pension)

1769-1773
Institutional awards

1773

Veterans’ Administration:

R. P. Bland, Office of Legislation.--

1805-1809,

1811-1821, 1827-1835, 1837-1839
T. F. Daley, Associate General Counsel for Legislation.. 1798, 1838, 1839
General Counsel, letter from..

1821-1823
Meyer Lipps, Associate General Counsel for Legal Services 1835-1837
C. E. Schuyler, Director Guardianship-

1827, 1828, 1834, 1835
Weaver, Hon. Phil.'.

1819, 1831, 1832, 1837
Whitener, Hon. Basil L.

1788-1794,
1796-1802, 1813, 1818-1821, 1827-1829, 1834, 1835, 1837, 1838

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ESTATES OF INCOMPETENT VETERANS

THURSDAY, JULY 25, 1957

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS,

Washington, D. C. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10 o'clock in room 356 Old House Office Building, the Honorable Olin E. Teague (chairman) presiding

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order.

The committee has for consideration H, R. 72, a bill to amend section 21 of the World War Veterans' Act, 1924, to provide for the disposition of certain benefits which are unpaid at the death of the intended beneficiary.

Without objection, I shall insert in the record at this point the letter I addressed to all Members of the House inviting them to testify, together with H. R. 72 in the various forms which it has taken since introduction, VA regulations on apportionment, court decisions on this question, and correspondence with AMVETS, Disabled American Veterans, and the Administrator of Veterans Affairs. (The documents referred to follow :)

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON VETERANS' AFFAIRS,

Washington, D. C., July 18, 1957. DEAR COLLEAGUE: On July 12, the House recommitted to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs for further study, H. R. 72, which sought to restrict the transfer of estates of incompetent veterans derived from compensation and pension to distant relatives of the veteran who would not have been eligible to receive benefits if the veteran had been killed in battle.

With the view to providing such further study, I am scheduling hearings on this subject for Thursday, July 25, at 10 a. m., in the committee room, room 356, Old House Office Building. I am extending a general invitation to all Members who are interested in this problem to come before the Committee on Veterans Affairs and let us have the benefit of their thinking on this question. I feel that it is particularly incumbent upon those who participated in the debate and who took exception to the approach of the committee to present their views.

With much being said on both sides of the aisle about the need for Government economy, it seemed to the Committee on Veterans' Affairs when it reported H. R. 72 originally that here was a field in which a sizable savings could be accomplished without adversely affecting the rights of any veteran. No accurate estimate could be made as to the amount of actual savings which might accrue if restrictions were placed in this program. Suffice to say that the savings would be considerable-probably running into millions of dollars.

Under existing laws, payments are not made to brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, cousins, and nondependent parents of a veteran, either as death compensation or pension or as dependents of the veteran. Yet, these benefits are being permitted to pass to these classes of kinsmen through inheritance of estates of incompetent veterans where such estates are built by compensation

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