Mr. MOORE. Yes, sir.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. By whom?

Mr. MOORE. By Jardine, by Lieutenant Jardine and myself, for

one.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. At whose instructions did you tap these wires?

Mr. MOORE. The captain's instructions.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Which one?

Mr. MOORE. Todd.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. After the wires were tapped, did you listen in on any conversations?

Mr. MOORE. Jardine listened in and it got so noisy we had to take them off.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What do you mean it got so noisy?

Mr. MOORE. I don't know, the connection got so noisy.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you know what was done with the information which was obtained by tapping the wires of officials and others in the plant?

Mr. MOORE. No; I do not.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you know what kind of information they were seeking by tapping the wires?

Mr. MOORE. No; I do not.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Specifically, do you know the names of any persons whose wires were tapped?

Mr. MOORE. No; I could not say that.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. You said all of the wires were tapped. How did you know that?

Mr. MOORE. Well, we hooked them up on all of them.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Did you have any other way of securing information on the inside?

Mr. MOORE. By reading all the mail that laid around.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. At whose instructions did you read the mail?

Mr. MOORE. Through the captain.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Which captain?

Mr. MOORE. Captain Todd or Wheeler; both of them.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Did you ever read any mail lying around yourself pursuant to those instructions, or did you not?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What did you do with the information you obtained from reading somebody else's mail?

Mr. MOORE. If we thought it was no good, we did not pay no more attention to it.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Did you ever read any that you thought was good?

Mr. MOORE. No; I did not.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Pursuant to your instructions, did you know what it was that you were looking for in reading this mail? Mr. MOORE. No; just anything.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were any instructions given to you at all?

Mr. MOORE. For any special kind?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes; or what you should report and what you should not report.

Mr. MOORE. No.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. In the course of your duties was information to your knowledge ever obtained regarding union activities or persons not employed by the Republic Steel Corporation?

Mr. MOORE. I did not get that one.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Read the question. (The question was read by the reporter.) Mr. MOORE. I don't get it yet.

(The question was read by the reporter.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you understand the question?

Mr. MOORE. I think so. Do you mean by that question men that came there for a position from some other plants; and the information was to be gotten on this man from this other plant before they could be employed?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. No; I had no such thing as that in mind. You said that you knew of your own knowledge of instructions and activities that were carried on in the police department when you were in Buffalo at the Republic company to find out what the union activities and affiliations and attitudes of the men employed in Republic were.

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. I am asking you whether or not to your knowledge you were instructed to get, or there was gotten, similar information concerning union activities of men not working for Republic, working for some other company?

Mr. MOORE. Oh, yes.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What companies?

Mr. MOORE. Bethlehem Steel, for one thing, Lackawanna plant.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. How did you get that information?
Mr. MOORE. For Bethlehem Steel, do you mean?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

Mr. MOORE. Well, these men we sent out to these union meetings. Senator LA FOLLETTE. If I understand your testimony, and if I do not, I want you to correct me, it is to the effect that you got information concerning the union activities of men employed in Republic by using the methods you have described, and when that information came in showing activities in the other plants, you sent that information to the other plants, is that correct?

Mr. MOORE. Yes, that is correct.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How were members of the police force recruited? How did they get their men?

Mr. MOORE. That is a hard question to answer.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were there any particular type of men preferred to others?

Mr. MOORE. No.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. I offer for the record a report of the regular police force, Buffalo district, Republic Steel Corporation, for the period January 1, 1933, to December 31, 1937.

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(The document was marked "Exhibit 5222” and appears in the appendix on pp. 13919-13920.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. This has been furnished to the committee under subpena by the Republic Steel Corporation, and it shows that Frank Moore was employed from September 1933 to December 1935. Will you examine this list of names and tell me if on examining it you can tell any persons of your own knowledge who were assigned to do any of this undercover espionage work on labor activities?

Mr. MOORE. O'Kane, Witkowski, Dowling, McCarty, Frears, Huber, Meyer, Kline, Blaser, Long, Jardine, Wheeler, Natopole, Schotts; that's about all.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you know what Blaser did?

Mr. MOORE. Do you mean in any special police work he did?
Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

Mr. MOORE. Only that he went to these open meetings.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you know what Pickens did?

Mr. MOORE. The same kind.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. During the time you were employed in Buffalo by the Republic Steel Corporation, were there any labor disputes between the corporation and its employees?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. When?

Mr. MOORE. 1934.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Where was that strike?

Mr. MOORE. Donner plant.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What was your position in the police department at this time?

Mr. MOORE. Sergeant.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Who was the person in charge of the department at this time?

Mr. MOORE. Wheeler.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What were the responsibilities of the police department during the strike?

Mr. MOORE. To protect the company property, I suppose.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were any additional persons added to the police force during this strike?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How many?

Mr. MOORE. Do you mean outside additionals or inside additionals? Senator LA FOLLETTE. Outside additionals.

Mr. MOORE. I am not positive, because that was really the beginning of that police force, just before that.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you mean the police force at Donner? Mr. MOORE. Yes. They had no regular amount.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What did the men who were imported do? Mr. MOORE. Broke up the picket line.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What did the local men do?

Mr. MOORE. Protect the inside of the plant.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Why did they select local men to protect the inside and imported men to work on the outside? If you know. Mr. MOORE. So the outsiders would not know them.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were they in plain clothes then, those who were on the outside?

Mr. MOORE. Yes, sir.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you know whether this policy was ap plied to all strikes?

Mr. MOORE. All that I had been in there was.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What others have you been in?

Mr. MOORE. Berger.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Which one? Which Berger strike?
Mr. MOORE. 1935.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What, if any, instructions were given to
your knowlege to the imported police during the Buffalo strike?
Mr. MOORE. They were kept under cover through the day.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. What else were they to do if anything?
Mr. MOORE. They were the men that broke the picket line.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were you an imported man at that time?
Mr. MOORE. No.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Where were the men imported from, do you know?

Mr. MOORE. Youngstown, Warren, and Massillon, I think, and Canton.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Where they Republic employees or not in those other districts?

Mr. MOORE. Yes, Republic employees.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. You state that they were instructed to break the picket line. How were they to do that or how did they do it. if you know?

Mr. MOORE. Well, they were sent out in automobiles, five and six in a car, and I don't know just how many cars, four or five, and parked along the street, and any trouble that started, they got out of the cars and run them away from the plant.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What else did they do, if anything, that you know of?

Mr. MOORE. That's all. That was the end of it.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. That was the end of the strike?

Mr. MOORE. Practically.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. When did you go to the Berger strike?
Mr. MOORE. I don't know the date. I know it was in 1935.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How long had the strike been going on?
Mr. MOORE. When I got there?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

Mr. MOORE. The strike had just started; and had not really started yet. I got there on a Sunday.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What did you do in the Berger strike, if anything? What were your duties?

Mr. MOORE. Our bunch broke the picket line.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How did they break the picket line?

Mr. MOORE. With gas bombs and gas guns and clubs.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How did they go about doing that?

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Mr. MOORE. They rode us up in an armored truck and drove us out in the street about two blocks, and we unloaded and come back after them.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. At whose instructions did you do this?
Mr. MOORE. Captain Todd.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. You say you came back after them. Who do you mean?

Mr. MOORE. After the pickets.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. In what way did you go after them?
Mr. MOORE. Do you mean run or walk?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What did you do, if anything, so far as the pickets were concerned?

Mr. MOORE. Well, as soon as we got out of the automobile we started to open up with these guns, gas guns, long-range guns, and threw gas bombs and used revolvers, gas guns, short revolver gas guns, and steel pipe.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were there any other police, aside from your group, taking after the pickets at this time?

Mr. MOORE. Not very many; a few; not very many.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. Where were they located?

Mr. MOORE. They were in our line.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. You mean they were with you?

Mr. MOORE. Yes.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Well, if I understand your testimony, it is that you came out in an armored car, got out, and began shooting gas at pickets. Was anybody else shooting gas at them from any other place?

Mr. MOORE. I don't know.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How soon was this after you arrived?

Mr. MOORE. We arrived Sunday evening, and this happened about 5 o'clock Monday, 5 or 6 o'clock Monday afternoon.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Did you receive any instructions from anyone aside from the police officers in connection with this incident? Mr. MOORE. No.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How were you armed?

Mr. MOORE. How was I armed?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

Mr. MOORE. I had a steel pipe, gas gun, revolver, and some gas bombs. [Laughter.]

Senator LA FOLLETTE. HOW were the others the other police— armed?

Mr. MOORE. About the same; some of them had their service revolvers with them.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Did you have occasion to go to Canton at any time?

Mr. MOORE. During this strike?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

Mr. MOORE. Do you mean up into the city?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

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