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not deny that annexation was very popular. It was popular in that House and in the country; but, for his part, he objected to all those wild expeditions, enterprizes, and annexations. Each seemed to him to be more senseless than the other. In Abyssinia, after spending millions of money, we managed to get the crown of King Theodore; in Ashantee we secured an old umbrella; and he wished to know whether the warclub of King Thakombau was worth the £40,000 which it was now proposed to give. He moved to reduce the Vote by that amount.

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death of some of the leading inhabitants and chieftains, on whom the Government had, in the main, depended for carrying out the measures connected with the annexation of the Island, had thrown additional burdens upon the Executive Government. He should addthat this grant was to be repaid at some future time. [4 laugh.] His hon. Friend seemed to be incredulous; but he might observe that only the other day £10,000 was repaid on behalf of the Settlement of Lagos, which showed that better days were in store as regarded colonial loans. He thought the House would see that in regard to an extraordinary outlay of this character they could not fairly call upon the Governments of New South Wales and of New Zealand to contribute any portion of it; but those Governments had rendered very valuable assistance in various ways with respect to the annexation. The assistance of the Governor of New South Wales and some of his judicial staff had already been placed at the disposal of the Government. He hoped his hon. Friend would not feel it necessary to press his Motion.

primitive innocence and simplicity. They pretended to be actuated by the highest motives of Christianity when they annexed these countries; they sent out missionaries there who really were like the gentlemen mentioned by the hon. Baronet, simply rum merchants in dis

MR. J. LOWTHER said, he had DR. KENEALY sincerely hoped that understood the hon. Baronet to require the hon. Baronet the Member for Carlisle him to justify the annexation of Fiji. would press this matter to a division. He He need hardly remind the House that, found that annexation was invariably although the annexation was carried followed by this unhappy consequence to out on the entire responsibility of the the islanders annexed-that there was Government, without Parliament being an influx of European vices and demoraliasked in any way to share that responsi-zation which tended to destroy their bility, it nevertheless happened that on a Motion which was brought forward in that House a very general approval was expressed of the policy of that annexation. That approval was not rendered the less valuable on account of the arguments in a contrary sense having been most ably put before the House-guise; but the real object of all their as any arguments coming from his hon. Friend always were-by the hon. Baronet the Member for Carlisle himself. Therefore the House had not decided ex parte upon this matter. As to the special point now raised he had to state that the £40,000 was required, in the first instance, to promote the erection of buildings, the construction of roads and telegraphs, and other works, which might fairly be classed under the head of capital account. But owing to the terrible visitation of measles a decrease in the revenue of the colony had unfortunately occurred; and further, the Sir Wilfrid Lawson

annexations was to give more patronage and power to the holders of office at the Treasury, who cared not what might be the result so long as they were able to provide for their own friends in these distant countries where they could do exactly as they pleased. The hon. Member for Carlisle was engaged in a crusade of most glorious and honourable description, and he certainly would add to the respect which was felt for him wherever the English language was known if he would adopt in his programme of reform a resolution against the system of taking possession of Islands like Fiji

without the slightest regard to truth and | nexation a considerable amount of Engjustice, and keeping them up at great lish machinery had been forwarded to expense to the taxpayers of this country. Fiji with a view to the manufacture of SIR WILFRID LAWSON said, that sugar, which would not have been sent if he was to understand that the Vote out if no annexation had taken place. was a loan, and that steps would be MR. M'ARTHUR hoped that the hon. taken to get the money back, he would Baronet would divide. not trouble the House to divide.

THE CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER explained that when the annexation of the Fiji Islands was first resolved upon, his noble Friend the Secretary of State for the Colonies went rather carefully with him into the position of the Colony, and assured him that he was fully persuaded it would not be necessary for the Colony to ask for any Imperial assistance whatever. Then came that great visitation of the measles, and in consequence of that his noble Friend officially asked for some assistance from the Treasury. The original suggestion was that it should be an Imperial guarantee for a loan to be raised by Fiji itself. He, however, preferred, and the Government preferred, that what was granted should not be given in the form of a guarantee, because, although a guarantee looked very little, it meant a great deal more than it looked; and thought it far better that they should show at once how far they intended to go, and should give £40,000, on the understanding that it should be repaid, if possible. They expected that it would be repaid.

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE asked what portion of the expenditure was to be of a permanent nature, and what would be merely temporary? It was hard to see how the measles had effected expenditure on roads and bridges.

MR. J. LOWTHER repeated that the revenue of the Island had decreased in consequence of the ravages of the measles.

MR. P. A. TAYLOR remarked that his hon. Friend (Sir Wilfrid Lawson) had deprecated our colonial policy altogether, saying that wherever we had gone we had made great mistakes. But he could hardly have meant to go so far in view of our noble dependencies of Australia and New Zealand. The policy of going to Fiji had been settled by the House and the country, and they ought to make the best of it, and not seek to starve the colony by miserable economy.

MR. WHITWELL trusted his hon. Friend would not divide. Since the an

MR. MUNTZ, to show the unanimity which prevailed on that (the Opposition) side of the House, expressed a hope that the hon. Baronet would not divide. This amount of £40,000 was necessary to set the Colony afloat, and roads must be made and telegraphs established.

MR. KNATCHBULL-HUGESSEN said, the late Government were quite as much responsible for the annexation of Fiji as the present Government, inasmuch as they had sent out the Commission to determine whether annexation was desirable; or, if not, what other course should be adopted; upon what Report annexation was determined upon, and personally he was bound to say that when he was in office it was his earnest desire that the annexation should take place. He would certainly support Her Majesty's Government, and hoped the House would deal in a liberal and gracious spirit with this new Colony, especially as it was believed that we had inflicted upon the inhabitants of the Islands the disease to which allusion had been made.

Question put, "That £72,105' stand part of the Resolution."

The House divided:-Ayes 189; Noes 10: Majority 179.

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not good, that it would necessitate raising | be inseparable from any measure on the the roadway at Constitution Hill, and subject. The first of the three clauses the making of a deep cutting, while it which he had to lay before the House would besides interfere to some extent provided that every British ship regiswith the use of the Park for pedestrians. tered after the 1st of January, 1876, Now, it was, he thought, possible to hit should be conspicuously marked with upon some scheme which would not be lines of not less than 12 inches in length open to all those objections, and he and one inch in breadth painted longitrusted, therefore, his noble Friend tudinally on each side, so as to show the would act upon his suggestion. position of every deck above water. This clause was not to apply to ships employed in the coasting trade, or in fishing, or to yachts. There were in the 2nd clause provisions with regard to the marking of a load line, a statement of the position of which would be required from the owner of every British ship before entering his ship outward on any voyage, showing the distance in feet and inches between the load line and the deck next above it, while he would also be bound to enter a copy of the statement in the articles of agreement with the crew and in the official logbook. There were, he might add, certain Amendments which he proposed to make in the clauses as they stood on the Paper. In compliance with the wish of the hon. and learned Member for Durham (Mr. Herschell), he had altered the date at which the Bill was to come into operation to November, 1875, instead of January, 1876. The right hon. Gentleman concluded by moving the following clause:

LORD HENRY LENNOX said, he was very much obliged to his right hon. Friend for the kind assistance he had given him in the matter, and could assure him he would do nothing with respect to it without the most careful consideration. The Vote under discussion was intended to obtain from the House of Commons its sanction for some steps to be taken before next year to remove the block which was created by the traffic at Hyde Park Corner, and the great object he had in view was the separation at that point of the business from the pleasure traffic, which at present caused great inconvenience. He had obtained the assistance of two noble Lords in the other House of Parliament, who had consented to act with him as a sort of Committee to look into the subject, and he hoped his right hon. Friend would join them and give them the advantage of his advice. In that way he hoped to be able next year to carry out satisfactorily the object which they both had in view.

Resolution agreed to.

Subsequent Resolutions agreed to.

UNSEAWORTHY SHIPS BILL-[BILL 274.] (Sir Charles Adderley, Mr. Disraeli, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer.)

CONSIDERATION.

Bill, as amended, considered.

(Marking of deck lines.)

"A. Every British ship registered on or after November one thousand eight hundred and seventy-five shall before registry, and every British ship registered before that day shall, on or before that day, be permanently and conspicuously marked with lines of not less than twelve inches in length and one inch in breadth, painted longitudinally on each side amidships, or as near thereto as is practicable, and indicating the position of each deck which is above water.

"The upper edge of each of these lines shall be level with the upper side of the deck plank next the waterway at the place of marking.

"The lines shall be white or yellow on a dark ground, or black on a light ground. "Provided, That

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(1.) This section shall not apply to ships employed in the coasting trade or in fishing; and

SIR CHARLES ADDERLEY said, he had to propose the insertion of clauses in the Bill which had been suggested in Committee, and which seemed to have met with general acceptance. They were clauses relating to loading and deck lines taken from the first Go-within a British port of registry at any time "(2.) If a registered British ship is not vernment measure, which, unhappily, before the date named, she shall be marked had to be withdrawn ; but, although they as by this section required within one month had been placed on the Paper only after her next return to a British port of registry within 48 hours, a number of Amend- subsequent to that date." ments already accumulated around them, and, indeed, the tendency to become smothered with Amendments seemed to

Mr. Adam

MR. MAC IVER said, that although an Amendment stood on the Paper in his name, which was substantially a new

clause dealing with the whole question were equally desirous with himself that of load line, he was actuated by no spirit | there should be an honest solution of of hostility to the proposals of the Go- the load line question; but he thought vernment, and could, he thought, dis- it was only in regard to steamers that pose of his Amendment in a very words. there existed any necessity in regard to He had listened with most respectful such legislation. The loading of sailing attention to the remarks of the right vessels was more generally understood; hon. Gentleman the Prime Minister, the but, as regarded steam vessels, there was other evening, in regard to load line, so much diversity of model, quality, and and with every word of the right hon. general arrangements, that he (Mr. Gentleman he (Mr. Mac Iver) heartily Mac Iver) thought there was a real and entirely concurred. In expressing necessity for dealing with steam vessels that concurrence, he believed he ex- upon the principles so well explained pressed the views of those who had the the other evening by the right hon. best facilities for becoming practically Gentleman the Prime Minister. There acquainted with the subject, and who was another objection to the Board of had given these questions serious atten- Trade clauses, also one of detail, but on tion. The way to prevent overloading which he wished to say a few words. was to compel the shipowner to declare Was it worth while, he asked in a Bill plainly and distinctly what he intended which was tentative-brought forward to do, and to indicate such intended load to be in operation only for one year-to line upon the ship in such manner as to provide expressly that British vessels afford reliable and visible evidence in should be disfigured with discs and lines regard to the actual facts. He asked, in the particular form set down? All however, if the Board of Trade clauses that appeared to him (Mr. Mac Iver) to under discussion carried out this view? be necessary was that the marking He (Mr. Mac Iver) ventured to say they should be intelligible; and he thought did not; but that they would permit it might be well to leave to the Board of the alteration of a load line with too Trade and the shipowners some discregreat facility, and in such manner as to tion on the subject. He thought the confuse and destroy-so far as ordinary prescribed manner of marking would, in witnesses were concerned-all readily some instances, result unsatisfactorily, available evidence in regard to depth of and in others be a needless disfigurement. loading. This might suit some people; but it would not suit those shipowners who meant right by this question, and he had received letters and telegrams on the subject, with an extract from only one of which he would trouble the House. It was from a shipowner of high standing, and was as follows:

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He (Mr. Mac Iver) was quite sure this was not the intention either of the Prime Minister or of the President of the Board of Trade. He had no desire to press the particular words of his own Amendment upon the Government; but that he thought he had pointed out a real defect in the Board of Trade clauses, which the right hon. Gentleman who had charge of the Bill would, he hoped, see his way to remove. He believed his brother shipowners in the House of Commons

VOL. CCXXVI. [THIRD SERIES.]

MR. NORWOOD said, he did not wish to examine the Government's clauses hypercritically; but it was his duty to point out that they differed materially from his own, which the Government had substantially accepted. The Government had not given sufficient consideration to the difference between the density of fresh water and that of salt at about 24 per cent; and this was rather water, and this difference was estimated a serious margin, considering the competition there was between British and foreign shipowners, and among British shipowners themselves. The clause and his own both provided for a disc; the clause proposed a larger disc than he did; but this clause omitted the scale of feet and inches which would enable surveyors and managers to make allowance for the difference between fresh water and salt water, and in the absence of which there would be continual disputes between master, seamen, and surveyors. In his Bill the power of changing load lines was carefully guarded; it was necessary it should be,

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because the load line formed the basis of agreement between the merchants, the insurers, and all the parties interested; and the omission of the provision would render it necessary that the articles of agreement should lapse if the load line were changed. In his clause the mark could not be altered during a voyage, nor during the existence of articles, and in that way full protection was afforded to seamen. His scheme was devised in the interest of the seamen rather than in that of the shipowner. The Government had omitted that clause in his Bill which provided that the seaman's liability to fine or forfeiture should lapse if the load line were altered, and this would have been a great safeguard. As the Government had accepted his proposals so partially, he could not be responsible if they did not work satisfactorily.

MR. EVELYN ASHLEY, whose name was on the back of the Bill of the hon. Member for Hull (Mr. Norwood), objected to the facility which the Government's clauses afforded for the changing of the load line without the sanction or even the knowledge of the seamen, and said that the Government, by the way in which they had resisted proposals relating to load lines, deck cargoes, and grain cargoes, and by the way in which they had emasculated the provisions they had accepted, seemed determined to sail as close to the wind as they could.

MR. E. J. REED said, there was no doubt that the scale of feet and inches proposed by the hon. Member for Hull would afford a ready means of making a comparison between a salt water and a fresh water load line. It was rather strange that the House should present the spectacle of shipowners pleading for greater protection to seamen than the Government seemed willing to give. Surely this could be nothing more than an oversight? He hoped the Government would make such additions to the clause as would give seamen the protection they desired. He could not sit down without thanking the President of the Board of Trade for the courteous manner in which he had endeavoured to meet their wishes in reference to a load line.

SIR CHARLES ADDERLEY thought that he should be able to meet the views of the hon. Member for Hull,

Mr. Norwood

SIR JOHN HAY begged to thank the President of the Board of Trade for his concessions on the subject of the load line.

MR. GOURLEY was of opinion that there ought to be two fixed load linesone for immersion in salt water and the other for fresh water. The weight of a cargo in a ship sailing in each made a very perceptible difference. As a matter of fact, however, seamen did not like vessels being marked in this way.

SIR ANDREW LUSK said, that unless care was taken in making these arrangements foreigners would obtain such an advantage over us that we should gradually lose the shipping trade of the country. He should like to know why coasting vessels were to be exempt from this clause, and why they should not be required to have a load line? Half the losses and disasters occurred in the coasting trade.

LORD ESLINGTON said, the load line would be part and parcel of the contract between the owner and his seamen. The next clause, however, said that if the owner or his agent wished to alter the maximum load line, they might do so. It would be in the power of an agent in a foreign port, therefore, to contract his owner, so to speak, out of the Bill.

MR. SHAW LEFEVRE regretted that the clause had not been proposed in Committee, and he thought that as it had only just now been introduced the whole responsibility of it should be thrown upon the Government. He would therefore advise his hon. Friend the Member for Hull not to endeavour to amend it. He further thought, however, that the point as to an agent abroad altering the load line should be considered by the Board of Trade.

MR. MUNTZ said, the measure was only of one year's duration, and the House would see by experience how it worked. He could not see why vessels plying between Newcastle and the Thames should not have a load line, as well as vessels plying from London and Hull to Hamburg, seeing that the voyage was quite as dangerous.

MR. CAVENDISH BENTINCK said, that if hon. Members would consult the Register they would find that the losses in the coasting trade were exceedingly small as compared with the foreign and colonial trade.

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