Senator BRISTOw. Why should we go over part of it now and all of it later, in order to determine what we have now and what was left out? Senator WALSH. It is, as I understand it, not very lengthy.

Senator SIMMONS. I will withdraw it, if there is any sort of objection to it.

Senator BRANDEGEE. There is not on my part. I am perfectly satisfied. I was going to suggest that Senator Simmons take this and read into the record such parts as he desires, but if he does not want to read any, I do not care.

Senator SIMMONS. I think if I can get the clerk to furnish me with some one I will send for the book and just read the whole correspondence, if I can put my hands on it.

Senator BRISTOW. I can not understand why, when the committee is to have a compliance with its request to furnish a complete record of this correspondence, that a part of it is to be injected now when there are witnesses present who desire to make their statements to us. Senator SIMMONS. I withdraw it, as Senator Bristow makes that objection.

STATEMENT OF MR. JAMES BROWN SCOTT, SECRETARY CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE, WASHINGTON, D. C.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Bristow, you called Mr. Scott, and you may interrogate him.

Senator BRISTOw. Mr. Scott, I did not understand just what your occupation is. Will you please state it again?

Mr. SCOTT. I am secretary of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Senator BRISTOW. What is the purpose of that organization, Mr. Scott?

Mr. SCOTT. The purpose of that organization is to advance the cause of international peace in pursuance of the statement contained. in the proposed by-laws.

Senator BRISTOW. How is it maintained?

Mr. Scorт. It is maintained by the income; that is to say, the interest on a sum of $10,000,000 conveyed by Mr. Carnegie on December 14, 1910, to some 27 or 28 trustees, the income being $500,000 a year.

Senator BRANDEGEE. Have you a copy of the charter?

Mr. SCOTT. Senator, we do not have a charter.

Senator BRANDEGEE. What does its organization consist of?
Mr. SCOTT. It is a mere association.

Senator BRANDEGEE. A voluntary association?

Mr. SCOTT. A voluntary association, without charter or incorporation of any kind.

I might say, Mr. Chairman, if you will permit me, that I gave all this information when I had the honor to appear before another committee of the Senate, and it was given under oath, which is not the case here. I shall be very glad indeed to answer any questions that I can that are put to me, and if it be the desire of the committee, I shall be very glad to present as a matter of record the stenographic report of the minutes taken on that occasion. It is merely a matter of convenience and a matter of saving time.

Senator BRISTOW. I would like to have incorporated in the record a statement as to who those trustees are. You need not take the time to read it.

Mr. SCOTT. The following gentlemen are trustees:

Trustees: President, Elihu Root; vice president, Joseph H. Choate; secretary, James Brown Scott; treasurer, Charlemagne Tower. Robert S. Brookings, Thomas Burke, Nicholas Murray Butler, John L. Cadwalader, since deceased; Cleveland H. Dodge, Charles W. Eliot, Arthur William Foster, John W. Foster, Austen G. Fox, Robert A. Franks, William M. Howard, Samuel Mather, Andrew J. Montague, Henry S. Pritchett, George W. Perkins, Jacob G. Schmidtlapp, James L. Slayden, Oscar S. Straus, Charles L. Taylor, Andrew D. White, John Sharp Williams, Robert S. Woodward, Luke E. Wright.

Senator BRANDEGEE. Let it appear in the record also what committee you made this sworn testimony before.

Mr. SCOTT. It was the Committee on Maintenance of a Lobby to Influence Legislation.

The CHAIRMAN. It was a subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary.

Mr. SCOTT. It was a subcommittee of the Committee on the Judiciary of the United States Senate, March 13, 1914, and the question on that occasion was propounded by the Senator before whom I have the honor now to sit, Senator Walsh. I find in the documents-I should say rather in response to the subpoena I brought to the committee room, all of the documents which had been printed, all of the final statements which had been issued in any form since the first meeting of the gentlemen forming the trustees, and left it with the committee to be made part of the record, if that was desired. I find, however, that the committee has not incorporated in the record complete list of the trustees.

Senator BRANDEGEE. And they consist of the gentlemen whose names you have just given.

Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Is Senator Burton on that list?

Mr. SCOTT. Senator Burton it not on that list.

The CHAIRMAN. He is the president of a peace society.

Mr. SCOTT. Of the American Peace Society, to which list there should be added also a newly elected trustee, Robert Bacon. The CHAIRMAN. In whose place is he?

Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Bacon was elected to succeed Albert K. Smiley, of Mohunk, and there has been no election to fill the vacancy caused by the death of Mr. Cadwalader.

The CHAIRMAN. Were you not connected with the State Department for some years?

Mr. SCOTT. I had the very great honor, sir, to be Solicitor for the Department of State under Mr. Elihu Root, senior Senator from the State of New York.

The CHAIRMAN. During his entire service there?

Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir; I was for five years, if you please. The biographical record is very short. I was delegate of the United States to the Second Hague Peace Conference, and I was counsel for the United States in the Newfoundland fisheries case tried at the Hague three years ago.

Senator BRISTOw. What other organizations somewhat similar to this has Mr. Carnegie established and endowed?

Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Carnegie has very recently established-in the month of February, I believe, of the present year-a Church Union, the purpose of which I believe is by means of church influence to advance the cause of international peace, and he made a deed of gift to the trustees, consisting of Protestant and Catholic divines, and some laymen interested in international peace, the sum of $2,000,000. The CHAIRMAN. Have you a list of those trustees?

Mr. SCOTT. I do not have the list. It is not quite in my mind. If I had known, I would have been very glad to bring anything that you desired. The income of that, I take it, will be $100,000.

Senator BRISTOW. Are there any other organizations of a similar character that Mr. Carnegie has endowed?

Mr. SCOTT. I think not. Those, so far as I know, are the two organizations created for the purpose of advancing the cause of international peace. But Mr. Carnegie in times past was in the habit of contributing certain small sums to various peace societies, but those which I have mentioned are the organizations for this special purpose. Senator BRISTOW. Has he not established an institution of some kind and endowed it that pensions teachers of colleges?

Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir; I thought you were asking what organizations of this kind. Those are specific organizations in order to advance the cause of international peace. He has endowed many

institutions.

Senator BRISTOw. I know, institutions; but is there not an institution that he has endowed the purpose of which is to pension teachers in the various colleges of the country?

Mr. SCOTT. The institution to which you refer is the teaching foundation.

Senator BRISTOW. How much did he contribute to its endowment? Mr. SCOTT. The best witness on that, of course, would be somebody connected with the teaching foundation. I can not give you the exact figures. I think he began with the lump sum of $10,000,000, which has since been very materially increased, but I can not give you the exact amount.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it not $15,000,000?

Mr. SCOTT. I imagine it is probably that.

The CHAIRMAN. You have heard that, have you not, that is $15,000,000?

Mr. SCOTT. I can not say whether I have heard that it is $15,000,000 or whether it be a larger sum. I thought perhaps you would rather have me state my own own definite knowledge.

The CHAIRMAN. Not your knowledge, because you are really not under oath. What is your best impression as to the amount contributed by him to that foundation?

Mr. Sco TT. My impression is that, beginning with about $10,000,000, it is omewhere between ten or twenty million dollars. I do not know the exact amount.

The CHAIRMAN. Who is the secretary of that?

Mr. SCOTT. The organization of that is in that organization. The president is the chief administrative officer.

The CHAIRMAN. Who is the president?

Mr. SCOTT. Mr. Pritchett, who is one of our trustees.

Senator BRISTOW. Mr. Pritchett is a trustee?

Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir; his name is Henry S. Pritchett.

Senator BRISTOw. And he is one of the trustees of this peace foundation?

Mr. SCOTT. He is also one of the trustees.

Senator BRISTOW. Have you a list of the trustees of that teaching foundation? Is that the name of it?

Mr. SCOTT. That is the title. I have not the list here.

Senator BRISTOW. Could you incorporate it in your remarks? Mr. SCOTT. Gladly. I shall be very happy to furnish any information that you may call upon me for.

Senator BRISTOW. Is there any other foundation of a similar character except this teaching foundation and those two peace foundations one ministerial and the other diplomatic?

Mr. SCOTT. If you will permit me to make an observation, I know of no diplomatic organization which Mr. Carnegie has organized, and, that being the case, I would

Senator BRISTOW. I will withdraw the term. I do not know what you call it it is a peace foundation. There are two, one relates to ministers, and the other to the general public.

Mr. SCOTT. Its name is "The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace."

The CHAIRMAN. What is the Conciliation Society?

Mr. SCOTT. The International Conciliation Society was founded several years ago in Paris by Baron d'Estournelles de Constant, and its purpose was by means of smoothing out misundertsandings to conciliate; that is, to bring the peoples of the countries together as far as might be by that process. The organization was, as I say, completed in Paris, and some time later, a year or two, I believe, a similar organization was established in New York, called the American Branch of International Conciliation, and I presume it is to that that you refer.

The CHAIRMAN. I simply mentioned it because I have seen reference from time to time to a conciliation society.

Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir; that is the organization to which you refer. It is an organization called into being, I believe, by Mr. Nicholas Murray Butler, president of the Columbia University, and which sends out each month ordinarily a small pamphlet to a rather large list of interested persons, or persons supposed to be interested in what may be called international conciliation.

Senator THOMAS. Have you a branch in Mexico? [Laughter.] Mr. SCOTT. I am afraid I can not answer that at present. We hope that conditions will soon be such in Mexico that they will justify us in establishing a branch.

Senator BRANDEGEE. To counteract the effect of these organizations, is there no organization to promote trouble or war, or anything of that kind?

Mr. SCOTT. I think I shall have to leave that to you to determine. At the hearing before the subcommittee Senator Walsh asked me if I would procure a complete set of all the publications issued by the American Branch of International Conciliation, which I did and sent to the committee.

Senator BRISTOW. That is the International Conciliation, and there is the Teachers' Endowment, and there is this Peace Fund which you represent; and then there is this-whatever the name is-composed of ministers of various churches?

Mr. SCOTT. The Church Union.

Senator BRISTOw. What else is there along this general line?

Mr. SCOTT. I think, Senator, that that rather exhausts the list. But I think you are falling into a slight inaccuracy. The International Conciliation is not what would be called a Carnegie institution.

Senator BRISTOW. Oh, Mr. Carnegie has not endowed that?

Mr. SCOTT. No, sir; it was formed by Mr. Nicholas Murray Butler, and since the organization of the endowment for international peace it receives an annual pension from the Carnegie Endowment to enable it to print, publish, and circulate its pamphlets.

Senator BRISTOW. That is, the Carnegie Endowment pamphlets?
Mr. SCOTT. No, sir; its own pamphlets.

Senator BRISTOW. Is that taken out of this $500,000 income?
Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir; it is taken out.

Senator BRISTOw. How much of that is assigned to this Conciliation?

Mr. SCOTT. For the last year, as appears from the record submitted, $34,000. My desire is simply that you may get accurate information, and I am trying to give it.

Senator BRISTOW. That endowment is not direct, but indirect, you might say, because while it is not endowed, it is still the recipient of part of the funds provided by Mr. Carnegie?

Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir; it was in existence at the time.

Senator BRISTOw. Now, could you submit-of course, I know you could not do it from memory-but could you submit the trustees or executive officers of these four different organizations for the record? Mr. SCOTT. Oh, yes, sir; very gladly.

Senator BRISTOW. And the officers and salaries of each.
Mr. SCOTT. Where there are salaries; yes, sir.

Senator BRISTOw. Now, take the teachers; could you submit to us-first can you state how the teachers get on this pension roll?

Mr. SCOTT. I think, Senator, that I had better not attempt to enter into details of that kind as they have their rules and regulations. I am not a trustee of it, but I can procure for you the yearbooks or statements that you desire.

Senator BRISTOW. Yes; a statement as to how a teacher becomes a member.

The CHAIRMAN. Can you not state in a general way for the record now?

Mr. SCOTT. I am not familiar with the exact methods.

The CHAIRMAN. How long have you been connected with the Carnegie Foundation?

Mr. SCOTT. I have been connected with it since its beginning, three years ago --December 14, 1910. Simply for the purpose of the record, and without accuracy, I would state that the teaching foundation has made an essential requirement that the teachers who have been engaged in educational, university, or college work for a certain number of years-I think, without binding myself to it — for a period of 25 years, and that he shall have reached the age of 65 years when he may be retired; upon his own request he may retire from the university, and then by application made to the teaching foundation, receive a portion of his university salary. The reason